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ddgates ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Deer Valley Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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That 1 in 3 number mentioned elsewhere is I think the result of one shop that has done 3 units. Certainly not scientific, nor statistically significant. Does indicate, though, that undesired outcomes are possible even when the update is done by a good shop, following the instructions.
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brou0040 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 Dec 2012 Location: KIYK Status: Offline Points: 720 |
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Do you know if the costs are being covered by your warranty or by the shop? It would also be nice to know Avidyne's stance on warranty work of IA performed or supervised upgrades.
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AzAv8r ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2011 Location: Arizona Status: Offline Points: 154 |
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I can report success on the install, despite perhaps four items not going to plan or the SB. (I monitored the install while the shop did real work running wires and crimping connectors on another plane. And thus I did not get charged for the time. Well, I also gave the shop the cropped AFMS...)
Give these to your shop. And your shop should take copious notes, to make the next time easier and safer... 1. On start-up for the install with the new software in the thumb drive, the IFD came up with the screen saying "No USB device found", or something along those lines. We were about to pull the thumb drive or shut down to determine if we had a bad drive, when the load started. Dodged a bullet! The misleading message was displayed for perhaps 30 seconds. I *suspect* this occurred because the very last thing we had done before cycling power to start the install was go to the configuration screen and double-check the configurations (which we'd already recorded, but "measure twice, cut once"). A couple of the configuration screens display that message until they find the drive. I think (like so many pieces of software), the time lapse between making a decision (there's a boot disk here!) and providing feedback to the operator (I'm starting to load!) is perhaps inappropriate, and in this case it continues to display the last message displayed pre-reboot. Recommendation: Before installing, reboot into normal mode, not setup. And if you see this message, give it at least a minute. 2. About 10 minutes into the install, an error message appeared: 'System update halted. Error detected "Copy system config to /tmp"'. No idea why this happened. The only option was "Done". It was late in the afternoon on a Saturday west coast time - we didn't expect to reach tech support, and I wasn't willing to leave my gyro running over the weekend, so we tried again. (Per another post, perhaps we would have been successful calling tech support at that time.) I do not recall whether we clicked the "Done" button (I think so, but not sure. Maybe the reboot timer started; I shut off power, removed and reinserted the thumb drive, and reapplied power), but it restarted the install when we rebooted. Not sure what to recommend here, beyond: "Do the install during Avidyne Tech Support Business Hours, whatever they may be." It worked out okay for us, but it could have gone south. 3. It took 2:20 total to complete. The above issues account for 10 or 12 minutes beyond the SB max time; perhaps we missed a dialog box for 8 or 10 minutes, but I don't think so. I speculate that the existing installed version matters - we had 10.1.1.0. Recommendation: Be prepared to give it a little extra time; remember, "Patience is a virtue. Within iimits." 4. After the install completes, you are to check the checksums (a "checksum" is a software signature of sorts.) The SB provides for, but does not require, rebooting the box for this check. We chose not to reboot, and two of the items to be verified (LIO Apps, LIO Processor) were missing - dashes for the part number and the checksum. Before panicking, we rebooted and retried; this time, the missing items showed up in the list. Recommendation: Reboot before checking, even though the SB does not require it. But it all worked, and I'm a happy customer. Best, Jon |
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Randy ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 20 Jul 2016 Location: KTUS Status: Offline Points: 68 |
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Your "mission report" was excellent. except..
When did you finally remove the FOB from the unit? Was it removed only once after the install started, prior to the check sum, after the reboot? I would hate to remove the FOB at the wrong time, and would really feel stupid, leaving it in for three, or twelve cycles / reboots. Regards, Randy
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AzAv8r ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2011 Location: Arizona Status: Offline Points: 154 |
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The FOB was removed at the time of the reboot in step 4 to check the checksums. Basically, the IFD displayed "Done" (in some form, don't remember the wording), and it was clear that it was time to look at the checksums per the SB. I don't recall whether the FOB came out at that moment, or when we actually rebooted.
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ksdoc ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 20 Nov 2014 Location: Arizona Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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Happy to report successful update to 10.2 in 85 minutes! yeah. No issues at all. Thanks to Christine in tech support for the help.
Opened the hangar to go flying at is was snowing!! Life in mountains, I guess. Will have to wait another day to check 10.2 out.
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comancheguy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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We did the upgrade both of my 540s this week. Took 90-100 minutes each.
I debated when to finally remove the usb stick also.
I did see the same thing with two Components (LIO Apps Processor and LIO Apps Boot) having "--" versus a chksum. But, after a reboot, all was well. One thing scared me a bit in the beginning: Step 4 (a) says to only check Load 10.2.0.0. And make sure everything else is unchecked. My update started right off, with no chance to uncheck anything and some of the lower choices had X next to them. I was worried that X meant, "SELECTED". I decided to relax and it was fine. No luck hooking up the IFD100, as I need to update my Jepp data Grrr... The cute little keyboard worked great. The SVS is very cool, especially when shooting an approach. I did see one oddity when shooting approaches, the FLTA was all lit up yellow. "Uh... I know I am descending, uh... there's an airport RIGHT THERE." It didn't alert or anything. I don't recall it looking like this in 10.1.1.0? Is this normal? ![]() |
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ddgates ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Deer Valley Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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Don't know about normal, but what great SA! Love the photo!
Thanks Avidyne; this is going to be great!
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David Gates
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comancheguy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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Yes, I loved, when i shot the GPS approach into my home airport, the SVS showed the magenta line, and the white line dotted showing the first leg of the missed, then the white line back out to the hold. VERY cool.
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luchetto ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2015 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 119 |
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It looks the yellow FLTA scared you as you are slightly high😜
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ronl ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08 Apr 2015 Status: Offline Points: 88 |
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Got my 550 installed and 440 updated yesterday. Everything appears to be working as advertised. Fantastic!
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Ron L
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comancheguy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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I KNEW someone would give me grief about that. Friggin pilots! :)
Ken
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Sanjiv ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Nov 2016 Location: N14 Status: Offline Points: 48 |
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I upgraded my 540 few days ago. I tried to load new cycle 1704 data and it failed on first attempt. Second attempt it passed and have OK for install BUT on recycling the unit it came back to welcome screen with warning of expired database cycle 1701. So I am bit confused here on why it showed successful on my second and third try but still showing me error. Yes I used the avidyne USB to program.
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bobcain ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: 7K8 Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Hmmmm.... same issue for me on IFD440
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dubs ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2016 Location: Tulsa, OK Status: Offline Points: 48 |
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If you downloaded the database on a Mac, it won't work. Same thing happened to me. However, Jepp sent me a link to a Beta version of their Download Manager for Mac that worked.
Here is the link that they sent me: |
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bobcain ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: 7K8 Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Thanks! I'll give that a try.
Would have been nice if Jepp support guy had known. He did reset so I could try fresh download, but results were the same. |
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ksdoc ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 20 Nov 2014 Location: Arizona Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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I used the Jepp mac beta site, the download went uneventfully. It works, try it.
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kansasdoc
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MysticCobra ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Status: Offline Points: 649 |
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Confirm that your IFD's time is accurate. I had an issue where I saw an unexpected "expired database" warning right after I'd installed a known-good database, and it was because the IFD had lost its clock brain and was telling me it was August 1999 instead of Jan 2017. It took a few power cycles over a few days before the clock re-synched to GPS time, but then it didn't complain about the database dates anymore.
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Sanjiv ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Nov 2016 Location: N14 Status: Offline Points: 48 |
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Thanks, i'll check it when i am back home on Wednesday. but just for thought and question, My error also shows a wrong version of maps installed. I installed 1704 and error screen says expired 1701. So it could be just more than clock issue in my case.
On this subject, can you use the same USB (already programmed with 1704 nav update) to load the data again or it had to be reset by Garmin/JDM to download cycle again and re-program the USB? Wondering if IFD write back on USB stick that the update has been successfully installed and consumed to avoid reuse? |
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Sanjiv ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Nov 2016 Location: N14 Status: Offline Points: 48 |
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just found the pic i clicked the other day. Not a clock issue :( ![]() Edited by Sanjiv - 03 Apr 2017 at 2:14am |
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bobcain ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: 7K8 Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Sanjiv- You do realize there is price to pay trying to do this on April 1? :)
I am happy to report the beta JDM did solve my problem and the navdata is now current.
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oskrypuch ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 2012 Location: CYFD Status: Offline Points: 3058 |
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It didn't use to do that, to allow for multiple units. But not sure with the new 10.2 formats, how it handles that. You may need to run the sequence over. Do a CHKDSK or reformat the USB, call Jepp to reset your dat download (they are happy to do that), and run it again. * Orest |
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chflyer ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Location: LSZK Status: Offline Points: 1022 |
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My comments are based on the assumption that we're talking about navdata. I can't comment on other data types, but suspect the same applies.
You can't reuse a USB to update a 2nd IFD. When you update an IFD from USB, the USB is modified and if you try to use it to update a 2nd IFD you'll get an error message. If you compare the timestamp on the USB files you'll see that the timestamp has changed once you've done the first update. However, once you program the USB with the update cycle using JDM you can backup the contents (2 files) from the USB to your pc hard disk. You can then either copy the backup to a 2nd USB and use it for updating the 2nd IFD, or you can reformat the USB that you already used for the 1st IFD and copy the backup navdata onto it again for use with the 2nd IFD.
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Vince
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Ibraham ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 21 May 2016 Location: KHWO Status: Offline Points: 357 |
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Jepp is pretty good about resetting the download if you have an issue. Just call them and they will make it appear again on JDM
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idmpilot ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 27 May 2015 Location: 37388b Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Just upgraded my ifd 540 to a 550/works great for approaches with synthetic vision on ifd 100! Having difficulty setting up ifd as a client to stratux in remote wifi config as per pages 122-124 in install manual. This would allow switching from foreflight with stratux to ifd 100 for approaches without changing wifi settings.Avijake talked about this last summer . Need help. Thanks.
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j george
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LANCE ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: TEXAS Status: Offline Points: 277 |
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Waiting for my IFD 550 upgrade. Did a dealer install it or did Avidyne let do the swap yourself?
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rfriend ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2017 Location: Kbmg Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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You are not alone in this unsuccessful effort. Yes help would be nice even if it were a clear (not possible) from the people writing the code.
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ronl ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08 Apr 2015 Status: Offline Points: 88 |
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I thought it might be possible to use multitasking on the iPad Pro to run IFD100 in one window and ForeFlight in another. Nope. I tried it today and neither program appears to support multitasking. :-(
I sure hope FF decides to support bidirectional data transfer on IFD's. |
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Ron L
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Sanjiv ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Nov 2016 Location: N14 Status: Offline Points: 48 |
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Regarding USB reuse, I think you are correct regarding time stamp on file and it seems the header of file is changed also marked installed. But that's IFD modifying this file when the update has failed!!! And then I have to go to JDM to request update again. If it was successful instal then it would be ok. Why modify the file at all?
Do you always format the USB before copy new Nav data update? I wonder if it has to do something with overwriting files? And if the USB file was updated and not usable for second update, why wouldn't the update fail when I try to initialize it instead of running for 10 min with OK result and surprise me after reboot ? |
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ddgates ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Deer Valley Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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I have 2 540s.
At least prior to 10.2 I was able to use the same USB stick to update both units. Has that changed?
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David Gates
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chflyer ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2013 Location: LSZK Status: Offline Points: 1022 |
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I have a 540 and 440, and could never use the same USB to update the 440 after I used it to update the 540.... always got an error message trying to update, not at reboot. And the file timestamp on the USB was changed even after a successful update of the 540 (i.e. without having tried to also update the 440). Currently still on 10.1.3.
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compasst ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Akron, OH Status: Offline Points: 169 |
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I experienced two instances of 'chart initiation failed' on the IFD 540 right after update to 10.2. Rebooted both times, and have not since had the message. The IFD would not show charts until that msg did not show. I did not have IFD100 connection as it had not yet been released.
I did see that the terrain was an older version as were the navdata and obstacles. I had a new version of electronic charts to load, so didn't pay attention to that database date. I acquired new files by calling Jepp and installed the navdata and obstacles, but before I installed the terrain 2015 file, I noticed that the date on that had changed from 2012 (I think) to 2015. I'm wondering if the correct data was there for all three all along, but the previous dates were shown as a result of the update to 10.2 and, after several boot cycles and flying a bit, the correct dates became available during boot. The dates have been correct for all activities since, and the unit works fine with IFD100. Waiting for Freeflight to confirm compatibility on their Rangr ADS-B IN solution as I think it a better choice than the Avidyne. Probably after SnF.
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paulr ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Status: Offline Points: 545 |
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Same problem: just had 10.2 installed. I get winds aloft data and traffic, but no TFRs.
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n7ifr ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2013 Location: Scottsdale, Az Status: Offline Points: 470 |
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Still works - Just performed USB - Jepp Updates to IFD #1 & #2 using same USB Thumb Drive. Tom W.
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n7ifr ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2013 Location: Scottsdale, Az Status: Offline Points: 470 |
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Paul, Since there is No TFR "block" in Weather Overlay page, it is tough to know if TFR's are received or not. The response I got from Tech Support on this is that TFR's will just display as part of the ADSB stream - no need for TFR DataBlock. This time of year, before wild fire season, not many TFR's out our way in Arizona, but as soon as I see a TFR in range using other ADSB source like FlyQ, etc, I will try to confirm display on IFD540 as well... Tom W.
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paulr ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Status: Offline Points: 545 |
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Thanks, Tom. There was a fire fighting TFR along my route yesterday, right near the TAY VOR. I saw it in ForeFlight, but it did not appear on the IFD. I took screenshots of both, and sent the relevant data onto support. Hopefully they can help me figure out what is going on.
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LANCE ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: TEXAS Status: Offline Points: 277 |
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What software level is your MLB100 (Skytrax100)?
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paulr ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Status: Offline Points: 545 |
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The shop charged me for, and told me, that they upgraded the SkyTrax to 4.1. I don't have the log entry here with me so I can't easily verify it, but I know they at least touched the unit because I had to show them where it was installed.
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DavidBunin ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 May 2015 Location: Rockwall, TX Status: Offline Points: 742 |
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There is a "temporary" flight restriction all the time in Dallas over ex-pres Bush's house.
I see that one on my display and it identifies as a TFR when I tap on it for the data tag. Do you guys think that is coming from the Jepp database? The only recent time I flew with an actual temporary TFR around here, we weren't in my airplane. |
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paulr ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Status: Offline Points: 545 |
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David solved my TFR problem in another thread-- the issue was that my shop didn't set the IFD to use RS232 to talk to the SkyTrax 100 instead of using ARINC 429. Once I did that, TFRs started showing up within 50nm or so of the outer edge of the TFR.
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tony ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2011 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 466 |
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David, I believe it is coming from Jepp because its on the sectional chart. |
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AviSimpson ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 31 Mar 2015 Location: Lincoln, MA Status: Offline Points: 765 |
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TFRs come from the ADS-B ground stations and are not in the Jepp data.
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Ronald Mason ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Location: Santa Rosa Beac Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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I am all downloaded with 10.2 and I use Foreflight on my Ipad.
I have been looking forward to getting everything from my radios onto my ipad. VERY disappointed right now..
I get the initial request from my radios to "allow" bluetooth. But NOTHING shows on my ipad to connect. Further, I can find NOTHING in the latest manual with 10.2 update that discusses all the changes made and how to work with it. I turned "off" my 440 on bluetooth in case that was the problem and NOTHING asks me to sync my 540 with my Ipad. WHERE in the Pilot Guide is there a COMPLETE discussion of how to make these two boxes talk to each other and HOW to make them work together? I'm not big on tech stuff, as I just like to plug things in and they just work. |
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ddgates ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Deer Valley Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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Bluetooth is for the BT keyboard only.
The IFD100(Ipad) connects by Wifi, your network will be named something like "LIO....". The 10.2 pilot guide is downloadable from the Avidyne website, and explains how to establish both BT and WiFi connections. Does this help?
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oskrypuch ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 2012 Location: CYFD Status: Offline Points: 3058 |
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Avidyne uses BT only for the remote keyboard. As noted above, you need to connect by WiFi. Avidyne provides a data portal accessible through WiFi, but it is the tablet software provider that has to actually make use of it. It would be Foreflight (or FltPlan, or whomever) that would need to give you directions on how to make that happen, beyond just the WiFi log in that is covered in the PG. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 23 Apr 2017 at 6:46pm |
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n7ifr ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2013 Location: Scottsdale, Az Status: Offline Points: 470 |
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Use IFD100 with 540's now for a while - very nice with DataBlocks, etc. Still some problems, like: 1. No IFD100 synch with 540 selected Wind Altitude. 2. No ability on IFD100 for Time Offset from UTC for Local Time. Still some v10.2 ADSB issues - 1. Lots of TIS-B "Outage" areas (out west, between Arizona and Colorado) with gray stripes on 540. 2. ADSB Degraded Error, on 540's and IFD100 ... Still... 3. Still No TFR's displayed - using proper config with RS232 ports & "SkyTrax100 Wx + Trfc" 4. Other iPad Apps like FlyQ & FltPln.Go do synch with 540 WiFi, but limited Wx products: No Metars, TFR's... just Winds aloft - probably this is an issue with vendors. iPad issue is that only one app can synch to 540 WiFi at a time - must switch between Apps. Tom W. |
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paulr ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2014 Status: Offline Points: 545 |
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Tom, on my unit I didn't see TFRs until I was around 50nm away from the TFR boundary. Last week I was flying out of KEVB. To the north, there was an active firefighting TFR near the TAY VOR; to the east there was a not-yet-active space launch TFR near Kennedy Space Center. I could see both in Foreflight. I couldn't see either on takeoff from KEVB, and I didn't see the firefighting TFR until I was about 50nm away from it. This may be selectable in the map setup page; I haven't tried. Are you flying within 50nm of any active TFRs?
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n7ifr ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2013 Location: Scottsdale, Az Status: Offline Points: 470 |
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Hopefully, that's the explanation - I have not been within 50 NM of any TFR's yet, but expect the usual fire fighting this summer out here.
I have not found anything on Map Setup pages referencing TFR's, unfortunately. Tom W.
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ddgates ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Deer Valley Status: Offline Points: 1100 |
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That doesn't make sense.
You should be able to see TFRs like any other map features, otherwise how would you plan to avoid? If that is the way it is working with the MLB it needs to be fixed.
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