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    Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 10:38am
Sweet as hell: new certificated autopilots ($6995 without electric pitch trim integration, more if you add it) from Garmin. The bigger news: autopilot pickoff for the G5!

https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Garmin-Announces-New-Retrofit-Autopilots-229297-1.html

I won't replace my Autocontrol IIIb just yet, but now that I can get autopilot integration on the G5 I'll be putting in a pair of those suckers most ricky tick.
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Paul if your autocontrol 3 uses your vacuum AI to operate you'll have to keep it. G5 AI function / AP integration is not part of this announcement. Now if space permits you could relocate your vacuum AI to the TC spot and then retain its AP driving function while still doing the dual G5's. It would be my solution but it was going to be lots of labor to move my AI to TC so I've been delaying.
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Darn. I was assuming that they were including AI integration. A more careful reading of http://newsroom.garmin.com/press-release/featured-releases/garmin-announces-third-party-autopilot-support-g5-electronic-flight- says it's only for heading and course, though. Darn it.
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Darn it.  I can agree with that sentiment.

Still nice to see progress.  We'll get there.  Sure wish Avidyne would release their EFIS to compete.
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Originally posted by arkvet arkvet wrote:

Darn it.  I can agree with that sentiment.

Still nice to see progress.  We'll get there.  Sure wish Avidyne would release their EFIS to compete.

A DFC90 with servos would be a great response.

Forget the G5; they (G*) never are gonna modify their STC to include our IFDs anyway.
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Originally posted by ddgates ddgates wrote:

Originally posted by arkvet arkvet wrote:

Darn it.  I can agree with that sentiment.

Still nice to see progress.  We'll get there.  Sure wish Avidyne would release their EFIS to compete.

A DFC90 with servos would be a great response.

Forget the G5; they (G*) never are gonna modify their STC to include our IFDs anyway.
 

Do they have to modify it?  People were installing GTX345 transponders and IFD's for quite some time before G added Avidyne to it's STC as an approved gps position source.
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Originally posted by arkvet arkvet wrote:

Originally posted by ddgates ddgates wrote:

Originally posted by arkvet arkvet wrote:

Darn it.  I can agree with that sentiment.

Still nice to see progress.  We'll get there.  Sure wish Avidyne would release their EFIS to compete.

A DFC90 with servos would be a great response.

Forget the G5; they (G*) never are gonna modify their STC to include our IFDs anyway.
 

Do they have to modify it?  People were installing GTX345 transponders and IFD's for quite some time before G added Avidyne to it's STC as an approved gps position source.

Don't know.  They already say the higher priced AP works with G500/G600 and Aspens.

Maybe the STC won't care what the nav source is (doubt that though).
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I think the Avidyne IFD's are WAY too popular for G to ignore them.  The ability to use the G5 HSI with IFD with legacy AP's will occur soon, if there's even any issue to begin with.  

I will be visiting the G booth at Oshkosh.  I'm not going till next Wednesday and I'll bet they'll already be very tired of the questions I'll have.  
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You may be right; G* has a history of trying to protect its ecosystem.

I don't think the compatability between some G* products and Avidyne's came from brotherly cooperation though, more like reverse engineering.

We shall see.
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If you read back thru the G5 thread, AviSimpson mentioned that Avidyne needs to add the G5 to their install manual.   THIS should be doable.   

Now, with the GAD-29B, that will support my STEC-50 with the G5 HSI, I want one (two).  Plus, I can replace one of my 106's that is dying AGAIN.  And have a backup AI.  And I get an HSI. 

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Oh far from brotherly, I agree!!!  We all know that G's avionics portfolio is wide enough that it benefits it to not play nicely.  The more traction the other players gain the less ideal it is for G to not play along.  Take myself for example.  I've got room for other Garmin goody's on my panel... But I also have an IFD 550 that I think kicks the crap out of the GTN 750.  The more obvious it appears G blocks integration (for reasons of profit only) the less likely I will be to buy G in the future if other options exist.  Right now I don't see them going too far out of the way to block integration.  Drag feet, yes.  Block, no.  

I consider Foreflight / Stratus to be in a similar boat.  Not playing nice with other systems builds profit... up to a point.
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I do think that G* is making a (successful) play for the GA autopilot market with these two products.

Genesys is going to be unlikely to be able to compete: fair enough, the STECS, Centurys, and BKs have been gouging GA for old tech for a long time.  Now there's a new kid on the block.

One last time, it is unfortunate that Avidyne didn't "get 'er done" on the DFC90.  They'd already dominate the GA AP market if they had, I would question whether G* would have even gone down this road if the DFC90 were reasonably available for a clean sheet install.


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G* needs to re-watch  "A Beautiful Mind"  Game theory says the guys who cooperate reap far more than the proprietary moguls.   Apple notwithstanding.  
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