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atomsite
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What do you suggest? is there another RS-232 line on the SkyTrax that can be connected to the Dynon HDX? Basically, how do I get traffic+weather on both the IFD550 and HDX with a SkyTrax?
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I have a SkyTrax100 connected to an IFD550 using RS-232. Can I send traffic and weather to a Dynon HDX using an unused RS-232 line from the IFD550?
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Yes, that promotion is still available. Contact your dealer or email sales@avidyne.com.
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atomsite
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I have a SkyTrax 100. Is the $1,250 rebate still available if I trade it in for a SkyTrax 200?
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Ibraham
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That was from the installation manual
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Sanjiv
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Issue was resolved. The ground wire from solder sleeve of the cable coming from encoder had come lose at the skytrax connector end. It detected ICARUS on port 3 now and it seems to be good.
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Sanjiv
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@Ibraham Something doesn't look right with this output. I thought port5 was dedicated for command. Shows a diff port in your comstat. Also I don't see any pressure altitude port detected or configured there. Are you getting pressure altitude from ARINC instead?
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This is from the Skytrax 200 install manual
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Sanjiv
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I just replaced MBL100 with the new SkyTrax200 unit. While it is all pin compatible and everything seems to work, I am unable to get the Pressure Altitude recognized on SkyTrax. I took some screenshots of MLB config data before replacement and that shows correct recognization and acknowledgement of Encoder data. Please see attached, also note that the config data was captured after IFD540 RS232 settings were already updated to Skytrax which should explain the GPS failure shown in captures. But the original config data is as shows.
MLB was installed in 2017 when we used to get weather off RS232 and traffic off ARINC 429, so the config might resemble that. Later during upgrades, we disabled ARINC IN at IFD end and switched traffic to existing RS232 protocols Wx+Trf. Attached shows the [proper recognization of Pressure altitude correctly of 1025 ft. Now with SkyTrax upgrade, I config the port 1 with config command and the unit autodetected port 2 as Garmin ADSB+ so that part is all good. But it never detected the ICARUS pressure altitude, So, I also tried to manually configure port3 for ICARUS 9600 and it makes no difference. ERRMON still shows no PA data. As a result, the traffic announced on IFD540 shows incorrect target altitude. I also have a GDL50 installed and can compare the traffic on Skytrax another ADSB to validate. Here are the traces from Skytrax confirmed. What else should I be checking? > comstat COM port status Port RX baud RX handler TX baud TX handler 1 115200 Capstone 115200 Capstone 2 38400 Garmin ADS-B+ GPS 38400 Garmin ADS-B+ GPS 3 9600 Icarus Altitude 9600 Auto-detect 4 9600 Auto-detect 9600 Auto-detect 5 115200 Command 115200 Command >errmon Failure/warning status monitor Status ------ ADSB............................Enabled TAS/TCAS........................External Pressure altitude...............Invalid Geometric altitude..............Valid GPS position....................Valid Position/Altitude...............Warning Failures -------- Receiver........................Okay HW/SW mismatch..................Okay FPGA flight image...............Okay Warnings -------- ICAO address....................Okay Velocity........................Okay External TAS/TCAS...............None Edited by Sanjiv - 28 Dec 2022 at 7:30am |
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atomsite
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Does Avidyne still offer a special trade-in price for the SkyTrax100 to SkyTrax200 upgrade? If so, what is the cost?
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The original Skytrax 100 is not firmware upgradeable to a 200. Only the 100B models are firmware upgradable.
I just sent my old Skytrax 100 in for a tradein swap to a 200. I know this pain for a fact. lol. However, its an easy swap/upgrade when the new unit arrives. Good chance the wiring is exactly the same, so the labor cost will be pretty nill. |
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Can the following SkyTrax be upgraded to a SkyTrax200 by upgrading the firmware? Or will it have to be replaced? P/N 200-00270-000 S/N 17170001 |
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LeeMajors
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Great, thanks. I saw that first part on the Avidyne page but I didn’t know if it was old news. I’ve seen pages before with sale prices and other promotions that are not accurate and wanted to ask to make sure before I grab it from him and see if Thom Duncan or Carpenter here in Nashville can do the update then put it in and figure out which pin is going to which 540 pin and plot it once and for all so my 540 works right. The more I fly behind the 540 the more I like it. I wish they’d come out with a newer unit that had a little more screen real estate and a higher pixel display. I’d put that in my Duke if it used the same connectors and put the 540 in the Cherokee 180 I have a couple partners in that my son is learning on.
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As of today at: SkyTrax 200 Dual Band ADS-B IN Receiver | Avidyne Avionics Existing Avidyne customers with the single-band Avidyne SkyTrax100B receiver can have their units upgraded to SkyTrax200 dual-band capability. For a limited time, this software upgrade is being made available free of charge. Dealer labor to perform the upgrade is not included. AFAIK - the latest SkyTrax200 software release is 1.0.1; this was released last September to correct possible false ADSB targets associated with enabling the 1090MHz receiver. The corrected anomaly is described in Avidyne SIL 606-00190-002 found here: SkyTrax 200 Dual Band ADS-B IN Receiver | Avidyne Avionics
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LeeMajors
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Hello all, back from Osh and man was that AWESOME!! Had a great time.
Back on this since I had to use my iPad for traffic and not the 540 due to I think the SkyTrax 100 configuration. To the point of this discussion I have an opportunity to buy a SkyTrax100B from a local buddy who pulled one out and went to a remote 345 (or whatever they are) with a GTN750 upgrade from his aging 530. Is Avidyne still offering the free upgrade of the 100B to the 200B for dual band and are the software bugs still present? Thanks, hope everyone who went to Osh had a great time!
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LeeMajors
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That’s why you offer it at 2 hours. Doesn’t take long to swap the box, but if you find the wiring is going to be problematic when you pull the harness and have a look at the configuration page on the 540 or whatever it’s connected to, you’d probably know whether it could be done inside that or not. Depends on the complexity of the install really.
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CubedRoot
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I imagine the wiring changes would make this a challenge to do. Some of the installs had different wiring
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dmtidler
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I'm confused...do you have an MLB100/SkyTrax100 or a SkyTrax100B? The upgrade/update paths to a SkyTrax200 are different depending on what you already have installed.
BTW - I have personally seen the MLB100/SkyTrax100 as well as the SkyTrax200 updated and/or configured with Windows 10 computers using their USB ports. The MLB100/SkyTrax100 update and configuration used a Tripp Lite Keyspan High-Speed USB to serial port adapter as well as the Avidyne UAT Console program. The SkyTrax200 configuration used a USB to USB-C cable and the PuTTY serial interface program.
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LeeMajors
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Shame. Not sure I am worried about having a next generation ADS-B product until I get mine working 100% and the biggest issue is it requiring a laptop with the software and a serial port with an old enough OS to work the interface and going through and confirming port settings and such.
Unfortunately Gardner-Lowe didn't map the avionics install with it and provide it to the previous owner and thus I don't know which wires go to where and it requires us to either guess at the settings or go pin by pin. It's a weird thing, if I use Capstone Wx/Tfc on my MLB100 in my Duke I get weather but no traffic. If I set it to Capstone Hi I lose Weather and Traffic. My 540 was updated by Carpenter last year so I could have the enroute synthetic vision (and they dumped all the settings including the WiFi output) and your tech support people were kind enough to send me the file to load it back in but I'm a little leery of doing it myself and my avionics guy hasn't been available (his house flooded and he has no spare time as he rebuilds) and my buddy Thom Duncan (we went to school and used to play pool together) who is brilliant says "bring it down and leave it on the ramp and we'll get to it or I can put you on the schedule... next Spring. :D He fixed my Aspen problem we were struggling with in about 15 minutes over text message. Amazing. Good for Thom to be so good that everyone keeps you busy but it would be nice to have someone who knows this and wants the sale to be able to say "We'll include one hour of install to R&R the units and one hour of programming hookup with purchase at regular price at Osh". Just smart business really. Edited by LeeMajors - 24 May 2022 at 10:07am |
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We haven't in the past. I don't expect that to change.
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LeeMajors
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Does Avidyne ever do Osh specials where they sell and install on-site upgrades from 100B’s to 200’s?
Would be worth it if they’d come and hook it all up, had their laptop to double check the configuration talking with the IFD, and make sure it’s good before you leave.
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Has anyone wired their SkyTrax 200 up to their Aspen Pro and what unlock did you need to display traffic? The Sky Trax 200 manual says an unlock may be needed but not which one, and Aspen was not sure. It is a Capstone format that I believe is compatible/same as the Garmin formats so I think it may require the Garmin ADSB unlock card.
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teeth6
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So....I guess I spoke to soon. The SB is out and the new software was installed in the Skytrax 200 but unfortunately, I am still seeing the "maintenance required" message on the traffic thumbnail. I guess it is back to the drawing board but everyone seems to be out of answers at this point.
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teeth6
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...So after a bunch more troubleshooting, it appears this is now a known issue and Avidyne is coming out with new software for the Skytrax 200 to address this "maintenance required" problem. They are suggesting I stay with the Capstone setting on the Channel 1 IN and the ADS-B+(G2) on the OUT. The software should be available in the next few days.
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dmtidler
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Yes, I would go back to the same Capstone settings on your IFD540 and try changing the ADS-B+ (G) to ADS-B+ (G2) on your IFD550. I'm not overly hopeful that will correct the issue; however, those are the identical settings I am using successfully on my SkyTrax200 as well as the Avidyne recommended settings. If that doesn't work, I would think the settings in the SkyTrax200 would need to be checked. AFAIK - the only other RS-232 input the SkyTrax200 requires is a pressure altitude input. I'm assuming that is wired to come directly from your encoder (like my airplane is wired) or from another altitude source because I didn't see any corresponding RS-232 output from your IFDs. I don't believe your SkyTrax100 would have worked properly without that pressure altitude input.
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teeth6
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Boy, are you observant! Yes, my 540 was replaced about 6 months ago. Would you suggest I go back to the same Capstone setting as before on Channel 1 in and out and then try ADS-B +(G2) on channel 1 out on the 550?
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dmtidler
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From the pictures, it appears your SkyTrax100 was getting ADS-B+ (G) from the CHNL 1 output of your IFD550 and the traffic & weather feed from CHNL 1 input and output of your IFD540. Was your IFD550 ever tried with a CHNL 1 output of ADS-B+ (G2)? Looks to me like your IFD540 CHNL 1 input and output should both be set to Capstone HS Trfc+Wx as your original picture from yesterday showed.
BTW - Was your IFD540 recently replaced? I noticed the Avidyne logos on the IFD540 in the picture above is not the same as for the IFD540 picture from yesterday. Edited by dmtidler - 13 Nov 2021 at 5:32pm |
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Unfortunately, some of this discussion is above my pay grade :) but this is a photo of my RS-232 page before the upgrade to the Skytrax 200. I'm not sure how to determine if the Channel 2 Aviation Out services the Skytrax or anything else. It is the BOTTOM box that has the ADSB. Edited by teeth6 - 13 Nov 2021 at 5:02pm |
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As I understand it, just like the SkyTrax100 when set up for the ADS-B traffic display, needs the same RS-232 outputs and inputs from the IFD. The IFD RS-232 input and output that were set to SkyTrax Tfc+WX both become CapStone HS Trfc+Wx. The IFD RS-232 output that was ideally ADS-B+ (G) preferably becomes ADS-B+ (G2); however, should also work if it stays ADS-B+ (G).
Did you have an IFD RS-232 ADS-B+ (G) output set before the SkyTrax100 to SkyTrax200 trade-in? BTW - a picture of your IFD Main RS232 Config page from before the trade in could be very helpful. If your IFD did not have that output, then my guess is that the CHNL 2 Aviation Output is providing the RS-232 GPS signal to your SkyTrax. If that is the case and provided your SkyTrax100 was the only user of Aviation data connected to the CHNL2 output, then changing the CHNL 2 output to ADS-B+ (G2) should ultimately work. The SkyTrax200 settings may have to be adjusted if it doesn't automatically detect the new RS-232 configuration. If your IFD RS-232 CHNL2 output Aviation data was shared with other devices as well as the SkyTrax100, then you may need to have the now SkyTrax200 GPS RS-232 wire separated and put on its own RS-232 CHNL ADS-B+ (G2) output so that Aviation data can continue to be provided to the other devices. My personal experience with Aviation GPS data to the MLB100/SkyTrax100 displaying ADS-B traffic (not SkyPath) was a persistent "degraded" message in the traffic thumbnail which is why I asked if you were seeing that message before the trade-in. |
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I really don't know if the Aviation on channel 2 output is going to the SkyTrax. I did make that setting change that was suggested but the message still persists? :( I guess I'll just have to wait to see what Avidyne comes up with. I left the new setting in place as the traffic and weather still seem to be working fine. |
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Your RS-232 channel 2 output is Aviation; do you know if that is going to the SkyTrax200? If so, is it also going to other equipment too? For instance, my Aviation data is currently shared with a JPI engine monitor and a 406 ELT.
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I did not have the persistent degraded message on the 100 (although I did see it rarely) and the traffic symbols were the triangular shapes pointing in the direction of travel with an up or down arrow if they were climbing or descending. Why do you ask?
I’m going to make that setting change on channel 1 output today and see if it makes a difference
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To clarify, I too get the red X in the traffic thumbnail until the IFD gets a position at which point I get a single momentary "Maintenance Required" that only lasts a couple of seconds at most. I'm curious with your SkyTrax100, did you have a persistent "Degraded" or similar message in the traffic thumbnail? If not, was your traffic display the ADS-B display (aircraft represented as triangular wedges with predicted track lines) or the TAS style Skywatch display (aircraft represented as diamonds like seen in the IFD Trainer App)?
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I'm thinking something got lost in the translation when speaking with tech support. The channel 1 output should be ADS-B+(G2). I just checked with Mike Salmon and he's in agreement with that setting (as dmtidler said).
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teeth6
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These are the settings we were told to use. I have the red X in the thumbnail until it gets a position, but then the “maintenance required “ persists for the whole flight.
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What RS-232 GPS protocol is your IFD sending to the SkyTrax200? With this trade-in, my IFD now sends ADS-B+(G2) RS-232 GPS data to the SkyTrax200. I get the "Maint Required" traffic thumbnail message at system startup; however, the message disappears as soon as the IFD determines its GPS position.
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teeth6
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I am not sure but I know Mike Salmon reviewed the settings with my shop. I will check today and report back. So far, they removed unused pins from the harness that could cause interference and checked settings that Mike advised.
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What are your Mx mode configuration settings?
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teeth6
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Has anyone who has done the Skytrax 100 trade in to a Skytrax 200 seen a "maintenance required" message on their traffic thumbnail? See photo. My shop has tried everything that Avidyne has suggested and still it persists. I am wondering if anyone else has seen and solved this. The Skytrax 200 works perfectly with traffic and weather otherwise. |
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Great, thank you
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teeth6
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yes it can. I just did the conversion and although there was a problem with the new 200, the same antenna was used
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Can the same antenna from MLB 100 be used for the SkyTrax 200 ?
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There were no wiring changes for my upgrade from the MLB100 to the SkyTrax200. Years ago when 10.2.0 was released, I had the IFD RS232 GPS output to my MLB100 changed to use ADS-B+ (G) format data. This involved putting the MLB100 GPS input on its own IFD RS232 output port. Previous to 10.2.0, the MLB100 GPS input had shared the Aviation format data from the IFD with two other devices on the same RS232 port.
As I recall, prior to 10.2.0, Aviation format data was required for the MLB100 and the IFD could only output Aviation format on one RS232 port.
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Paul, that’s quite a bit more than it took someone else for the same install. Perhaps, yours took more wiring. Did you buy the unit directly from Avidyne. I notice it said “customer supplied. “
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I just had my original MLB100 replaced with the SkyTrax 200. The shop charged me 6hr of labor with the following entry: "Removed existing Avidyne MLB100. Installed customer supplied MLB200 rewired GPS
RS232 wiring at IFD 540 to work with MLB 200. Per Avidyne Skytrax 200 IM 600-00335-000
May 2021 Rev 2."
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I’m glad the process went smoothly. I’m doing the same process with the trade next week. How many hours were involved in the install and setup?
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I have an MLB100 from WAAAYYY back in the day, circa 2017-ish. I'd love to be able to upgrade this one to the Skytrax200 and take advantage of the better traffic and weather on my IFD540.
I *think* my MLB100 was setup for ARINC429, and I do get weather and TISB traffic on the IFD. The presentation I see of the traffic is the pointy arrows, not the diamonds. I don't think I get the little line from the nose of the arrow showing the traffics predicted heading either. Can I still do the trade-in / upgrade for the new dual band Skytrax, and will it be an easy task for my shop to do? No wiring changes? Would it be better to switch to RS232 for the wiring? |
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In AUX - SETUP - Map Setup there is a map filter for non-TA traffic that defaults to 40 miles. Try lowering that mileage to suppress the more distant traffic.
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AFAIK - as long as you are running IFD software 10.2.0.0 or later, RS232 to a SkyTrax200, SkyTrax100B, or SkyTrax100 is the Avidyne preferred method of installation; I don't think anything is lost with this configuration. In addition to power and ground, I believe it takes four RS232 lines for this configuration. Three RS232 lines between the IFD and SkyTrax for GPS, traffic & weather in, and traffic & weather out. The fourth RS232 line is for pressure altitude input to the SkyTrax from a certified altitude source. With an ARINC 429 install, I believe you would still need the four RS232 lines; however, traffic would move from sharing the RS232 lines with weather to using their own additional ARINC 429 lines. I know that with the SkyTrax100, the ARINC 429 traffic display is the Skywatch presentation (like the IFD Trainer app) instead of the ADS-B presentation through RS232. I believe that is also true with the SkyTrax200 and SkyTrax100B, but I could be wrong about that. |
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