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Yah, Mike and Orest have it correct.
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At present there is no interoperability with ASPEN weather and the IFD540, I investigated that. That may change. There is a solution for downlink weather to the 540, but that won't propagate to the ASPEN.

Mike - in your setup (very similar to mine), the MLB100 will give you FIS-B on the 540, and that's about it. It may however propagate back to the ASPEN, but that is unknown at the moment.

However, that is a relatively cheap way to get some level of weather on the 540, and the 540 does a dazzling job of displaying and using weather data.

* Orest



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 2014 at 7:14pm
Let's say hypothetically that I have an Aspen Evolution system, an Aspen datalink receiver, an AXP-340, an IFD-540, and a TAS-605A with your eventual upgrade to support ADS-B In.

I'm trying to figure out if this new MLB100 adds any functionality.

It seems that it would provide TIS-B, but I should be able to get that via the TAS-605A.  It will provide FIS-B, but I should get equivalent data from the Aspen receiver (which can be displayed on the 540, right?).  The Aspen has a subscription cost, but it works on the ground, which is not guaranteed with FIS-B, and the weather products are not geographically limited in the same way as FIS-B.

If I'm reading it correctly, the MLB-100 is not a full UAT, it is just a receiver on the UAT band, correct?  That means that the only thing I should get that is not provided by my existing equipment would be the air-to-air reports from other aircraft that have a UAT rather than 1090-ES output.  And those aircraft should show up either via ADS-R through the TAS-605A, or via the TAS-605's interrogation of their Mode C transponder, although the latter would not have the precise data available with ADS-B.

I guess you might eventually allow relay of some of the FIS-B data through the 540's wireless radios to portables like an iPad, but that's not announced yet.  I don't know if the same thing would be possible with the datalink stuff coming from the Aspen receiver.  They don't seem to support it via Connected Panel, but I don't know if that's a licensing issue from the data provider, or just their own lack of development of that product.

Have I got that more or less correct?


Edited by MikeK - 18 Oct 2014 at 7:16pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SB Jim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2014 at 1:09pm

Very interesting.

Jake, do you know if the unit (or the 540) will provide an audio "traffic" alert?

I like to fly with my eyes outside the cockpit and ideally a traffic system would give me an audio alert that I'd missed something. A quick glance at the display to find out where the traffic is then eyes back outside to identify the target. That's the thought...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ddgates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2014 at 11:33am
I would take a slightly different tack.

The TXP gets you ADS-B out whether or not you choose to use a portable/iPad for ADS-B in (display).

I like what I am doing with thee TXP and the TAS device - at least around a high density traffic area (PHX class Bravo) - got it covered. The TAS (someday) will integrate active transponder trafffic with ADS-B traffic (again, someday..)

Then add the receive only box (and as stated there are bunches out there) - voila!

My total cost for ADS-B in/out (sans install, which is also trivial) is going to be ~ 3.2K. Completely functional, and fully 2020 compliant.

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I have been looking for a way to put weather on the 540 screen, well first I need to get a 540, but I digress ...

There is a satellite downlink solution available currently, but the cost is $5000+ installed, and then there is the $1000/year subscription, and it won't populate my ASPEN.

A certificated ADS-B in, for me, might be just about perfect. Especially given its lower install & $0 subscription cost, and the chance that it might feed the ASPEN. It is only a part solution, as it is US only and then with the limitations of ADS-B coverage, but I spend a lot of time in the US, and most of the time I'm in the near border regions where ADS-B weather will still populate.

Traffic doesn't matter to me as I have an active traffic solution.

I have a tablet in the cockpit, but seldom use it except maybe to pull up charts, it is a backup. On a longer trip I may pull it out and play with it. For me, everything is on the panel. I recognize I may be perhaps a minority.

In any case, I look forward to seeing other solutions as well. The MLB100 alone will not supplant a more "portables" focused cockpit, which is likely the majority, unless you can feed that data out by wifi/bluehost. Hmm.

* Orest



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Oh, on the contrary, I would say we totally get it and have figured it out.  Along those lines, this MLB100 product is not the only one we'll create to provide a broad set of options/solutions for the market.

We would certainly agree that some of the architectures/combos you guys suggest are a very good set for a large part of the market.

This current set of options/solutions does work quite well for number of folks and for those for whom it doesn't, we will eventually have some more available options/solutions to consider.





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If ADSB-in was integrated into a transponder, that would be a differentiator in the marketplace.  If I was in the market for a transponder that would probably sway my decision.  Short of that, Ill just keep it on my IPAD.
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Originally posted by MysticCobra MysticCobra wrote:

ADSB-in weather receivers are a dime a dozen.  Plenty of inexpensive, highly-functional devices out there to do that today.  Hard to justify paying $3K to have it on my 540 instead of $500-$1000 to have it on my Nexus 7 or iPad.

Traffic is the differentiator.  An elegant and affordable solution for ADSB-out (to trigger the traffic broadcast from the FAA) plus a well-integrated ADSB-in receiver that can feed Wx and traffic to _all_ their displays--panel-mounted and portable alike--is what GA pilots are looking for.

From my perspective, Avidyne hasn't figured that out yet.  The AXP340+TAS6XXA/MLB100 isn't it:  Bugsmashers don't need 1090ES, they're better suited to 978-out where they can form their own mesh network in the lower altitudes if there's no ADSB tower around.  They don't need to mesh-network with the flight level traffic.  And the TAS box is just too darned expensive for the typical bugsmasher owner.  The MLB100 doesn't give me anything a far less-expensive solution--one that I already have, BTW--doesn't already provide.

Color me disappointed.


I wasn't going to say it, but now that it has been said...
I too already have ads-b in, and yes it was relatively cheap.

This, exactly:
 An elegant and affordable solution for ADSB-out (to trigger the traffic broadcast from the FAA) plus a well-integrated ADSB-in receiver that can feed Wx and traffic to _all_ their displays--panel-mounted and portable alike--is what GA pilots are looking for.

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ADSB-in weather receivers are a dime a dozen.  Plenty of inexpensive, highly-functional devices out there to do that today.  Hard to justify paying $3K to have it on my 540 instead of $500-$1000 to have it on my Nexus 7 or iPad.

Traffic is the differentiator.  An elegant and affordable solution for ADSB-out (to trigger the traffic broadcast from the FAA, and of course meet the 2020 mandate) plus a well-integrated ADSB-in receiver that can feed Wx and traffic to _all_ their displays--panel-mounted and portable alike--is what GA pilots are looking for.

From my perspective, Avidyne hasn't figured that out yet.  The AXP340+TAS6XXA/MLB100 isn't it:  Bugsmashers don't need 1090ES, they're better suited to 978-out where they can form their own mesh network in the lower altitudes if there's no ADSB tower around.  They don't need to mesh-network with the flight level traffic.  And the TAS box is just too darned expensive for the typical bugsmasher owner.  The MLB100 doesn't give me anything a far less-expensive solution--one that I already have, BTW--doesn't already provide.

Color me disappointed.


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1.  Plan on late winter/early spring 2015.
2.  We're working through those details.  I suspect most folks who want the MLB100 will use it for the ADS-B weather and to a lesser extent, the traffic.    We're working through the user interface of the traffic source indication including if it even matters.   Fun internal debate.

TAS-A should be in the spring too.


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Quote The TAS6XXA is also a ADS-B "In" product that exists too.

Well, not to be picky, but the -A is NOT available yet. I have the 605 and await the -A, maybe next Spring?

My question is:

1)  Timeline on the MLB100?

2)  How is the overlap between a TAS605 system upgraded to -A, when it becomes available, reconcile the two sources of traffic data?

* Orest


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$2495.

Just "In".

"Out" is via the AXP340 Mode S Transponder.

The TAS6XXA is also a ADS-B "In" product that exists too.
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How much?
Just in, not out?
Is out coming in another version?


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Today Avidyne announced another part of the ADS-B product line.

See this link for an overview:


Let the questions begin.....
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