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bcarlowise
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I too would love to see Avidyne IFD integration capabilities with X-Plane. I fly X-Plane alot in order to practice procedures and especially to practice flying to destinations that I will be flying to in the near future. What would be really amazing is having the IFD as a GPS navigator option in X-Plane like there is for the GNS430w and GNS530w
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Bonnell65
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For long term planning, I would definitely be on board for IFD/Flight Sim integration. Who knows when fuel prices will spike again and that will be a catalyst for more use of certified (logged) or home-based (not logged but procedural practice) simulator use. I also, me personally, find the G-products less intuitive than my IFD. Not having it for my (being built now) FlightSim room is an annoyance.
All that said, I am enthusiastically optimistic about the recent posts, even if simmering in the background!
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AviSteve
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No, it's on the back burner.
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brou0040
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Any progress updates?
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chflyer
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My comment wasn't meant as a promotion for Garmin over Avidyne, or a criticism. I love my Avidyne IFDs and AXP, and their customer service has been outstanding when needed. It was just a bit of a lament that being such a dominator in the market, Garmin products are obvious candidates for really useful sim add-ons, something that us Avidyne customers can only dream about.
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Flybuddy
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There's something to be said for the old Avis commercial line "we're number two so we try harder". Avidyne seems a lot more sensitive to customer concerns Avidynes slide right into legacy Garmin trays, where Garmin elected to both sell you a newer unit and an unnecessary re-install placing dealers over customers. Avidyne plays well with others...Garmin tries not to play at all
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chflyer
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It would be nice if Avidyne were forthcoming with a bit more details.
One of the disadvantages of choosing a challenger like Avidyne is the limited installed base which results in less accompanying products, in this case simulator add-ons. There is such a huge Garmin installed base that companies like RealSim gear and Reality XP develop sim products for almost everything Garmin produces, and yet don't even produce anything for the most basic and important Avidyne products like the IFD. It is a shame that Avidyne has no ability to influence or financially support such product development as it would really be attractive to customers.
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Vince
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doog
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totally awesome video. can't wait
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chflyer
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That's a fascinating video, just enough information to whet an appetite without giving useful details about how to duplicate it.
I had the Lonestar Commander unit shown in the video for my GNS430W, but sold it with the unit when I bought my IFDs. I got the Commander mostly to load waypoints at home due to the very time-consuming effort on those old devices. With the IFDs it is so quick and easy, that was not necessary. But mostly, I am no longer comfortable continually removing and reinserting the IFDs into the panel. The backplane jack pins are very sensitive to bending and constant in/out movement is just asking for trouble IMHO. The video shows some rather fancy looking cabling in the background, and it would be of some academic interest to know details of the setup being shown. But for most of us, a more practical solution would be to have something like the Reality XP GTN for the IFDs. One of those on an x-plane touch screen with a knobster would be just the cat's meow.
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chflyer
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Roger, the only thing I've seen from Avidyne about 10.2.4.1 is that is minor fix for a number of smaller issues. Avidyne doesn't release details of any new release before it is approved and available for installation so you won't find them yet.
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R0bst3r
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I'm super excited for this. I am currently flying XPlane with the Reality XP Gtn 750/650. Hitting the back button is getting old :) I only hope we can run the IFD simulator on an Ipad instead of needing the physical GPS.
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AviSteve
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Nothing more than what you see, but clearly it's being worked.
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Roger
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Vince I cannot find any list or anything that speaks of a 10.2.4.1 update and what it does? Where is it?
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brou0040
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Any more info on x-plane integration considering the video posted on youtube?
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chflyer
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x-plane integration of IFD would be really great, but I agree with the priority of getting 10.2.4.1 and 10.3 out asap..... especially RF legs (couldn't resist ;-)
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Vince
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AviSteve
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Xplane integration is still in the plan, but it's not being worked very hard right now. We're pretty swamped with 10.2.4.1 cert work and also 10.3. features.
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skitheo
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What ever became of this?
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skitheo
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AviSteve: I'd like to run the IFD on my X-Plane sim. Willing to beta test. Lot's of embedded SW dev experience.
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MysticCobra
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I originally started this thread (five years ago) hoping that the IFD would be integrated into the Elite ATD software package. My CFII is about to install the latest version, and it will include GTN device support, with the ability to use a touchscreen monitor to interact with the GTN.
It's too bad that the IFD devices aren't available, as well.
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doog
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It's a 4ghz i7 processor, 32gb ram, 1 tb SSD drive, GTX 1070 graphics card. The main display is a 55 inch curved Samsung 4k HDTV and the panel is a 15.6 inch touch screen. I also use a knobster to tune the GPS. The flight hardware is precision flight controls Cirrus2 console but I just ordered the new Honeycomb Alpha yoke and am planning to switch out the PFC for the honeycomb and probably build a custom panel. |
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Roger
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I subscribed to pilot workshops video series on setting one of these things up. I have not begun the workshop yet. I realize I won't be able to log the hours, but I know from using Flythis Sim with a CFII in my training it was really helpful. I would really enjoy having a nice flashy one like this one posted. And having the IFD would just be abosultey perfect.
I am newly IFR rated....Flying family to Disneyworld a week ago tonight from KY to Disney (KISM) was given the Leese2 arrival and then the DME Alpha approach. That thing had a arc in it. I DID NOT turn 10/twist 10/ on that approach. I dialed it in...both the STAR and the approach and the trusty 550 and trusty DFC90 flew all that beautifully while I tended to other important high workload matters in the dark at 10:30pm. Brilliant hardware and software...and if I could have a time to practice that approach again at home......or a sim to practice that before heading out on a trip like that across the country in the dark on a flight plan....would all work together in helping me be a safer pilot. Who cares If I can't log it....(well actually I care) so long as I get really good practice and skills/confidence. When the controller issued the instructions I was confident and knew exactly what to do. This flight management system just makes it so intuitive and easy. Thanks Avidyne....hopefully I will read a post soon that these navigators are integrated into a sim. Ya'll don't miss much at avidyne....and this would be another gap to easily close and one I am looking forward to. Keep putting out these great pruducts and I'll keep buying then!
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paulr
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Nerd question, Doog-- what kind of monster hardware are you running to drive that display?
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doog
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brou0040
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Agree with HenryM, you can't log the non certified sims. What I have found is that I spend much less time in the real airplane during an IPC or doing practice approaches to feel comfortable if I've been practicing on the sim. That is worth the time and money of using the non certified sim. The sim is way more sensitive than my real airplane so that helps me stay on my toes. I also have it set up to have random failures at random times. I think that adds a lot of value over the real airplane.
None of this is to say that a non certified sim is better than a certified one with a CFI, but I don't have access to that (or IMC) nearby so this works for me.
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HenryM
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lf you want to log the work in the sim, approaches or otherwise, it needs to be at least a Basic Aviation Training Device (BATD). FlyThisSim is based on XPlane, but has additional features required to get it certified as a BATD.
XPlane, by itself, is useful for practice but you can't log anything you do with it.
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Roger
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So I just purchased a sim instructional how to video series from pilotworkshops on setting up a home sim. Obviously the videos are a little data as they recommended Flythissim for certified sim and we all know their recent issues. Their message was to buy a non certified sim and then do an IPC every 6 months if you fly an expensive plane or having trouble keeping up with currency. My question is can you log these approaches on a sim without a CFI present? Can we do that with a non certified X-Plane? Trying to decide what direction to go here for my sim. And I am absolutely tickled to death I might have an option to have my 540 as a choice!
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brou0040
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I have FSX and I'm looking forward to seeing what FS2020 brings, but I'll switch to X-plane if I can model my panel including the 540. I currently have a 750 in my sim panel...
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94S
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+1, I hope Kelly is looking at more than just X-Plane. Please, please include all the popular flight sims, FSX, P3D and X-Plane!
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vancinad
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I'm half-stoked. I use FSX. :-)
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AviSteve
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I just heard from Kelly earlier this week that she had posted on FB about xplane. I know there are at least a few here interested, so yeah post back, email me, or email marketing@avidyne.com if you're interested. I'm pretty sure vancinad will be stoked...
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Any word on having it run with L-M P3D? * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 23 Oct 2019 at 3:12pm |
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TogaDriver
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wow. No I didn’t see it. Why didn’t they post here? I don't do FB. I did email to see about the beta.
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Roger
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Yes yes yes...please with X Plane!!!
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donemory
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FYI, Avidyne requested help from our community last week I believe to help them to test a X-Plane beta version...did you not see that?
On 10/14/19, Avidyne posted the following on the Facebook Avidyne’s Pilot Club forum the following: Looking for a couple of people to test our solution with Xplane. Please email marketing@avidyne.com if you would like to beta test for us. Edited by donemory - 23 Oct 2019 at 12:42pm |
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TogaDriver
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I suggested a possible way on my Aug-7 post. I've heard nothing from AVI about implementing this feature.
I'm happy to actually help work with the sim developer if they'd like to try and support external location input from x-plane. Since the auto-pilot mode in the sim must generate 3D location (lat,long,alt) that is where a hook would be added to optionally listen for on a port for that data instead. It's likely already an optional code path since the sim auto-pilot mode is something that obviously does not exist in the main branch of the code for the IFD. They can put an iOS settings option in for the sim so you can turn on external location or default back to the sim's internal auto-pilot behavior. AVI folks - PM me if you'd like to discuss. Making the sim work with x-plane would be a great learning aid. And, there are versions of x-plane that are FAA certified for IFR flight training. hint hint... |
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doog
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+1 for simulator support.
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oskrypuch
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That is too bad. * Orest
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Roger
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Unfortunately it does not. You can continue to use the autopilot with a PFD failure in the STEC 55x but you cannot with the DFC90.
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oskrypuch
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The STEC 55x can be wired to use either the "magenta line" feed from a GPS navigator, using its own GPSS circuitry OR using the output from an external GPSS unit or GPSS built into a PFD. I would be surprised if the DFC-90 didn't have the same capability, given that it is a slide in replacement. * Orest
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The UK Software Skydemon is able to get the Signal from X-Plane. If you start the infligt Modus you must select the Source, X-Plane or location service.
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Roger
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Would be awesome to be able to use this along with the new flight sim MS is releasing in 2020. Neat...it would also be awesome if my 550 could drive my DFC90 in case of a PFD failure...haha just write it on the list..thanks!
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That's a good point, and what I intended/expected. IFD Trainer needs to take position information from the flight simulator, not the other way around.
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How about data *input*? It's already possible to get position information out of X-Plane via UDP, and some iPad programs (such as WingX) can use this to display ownship on a map. Would it be possible to get GPS data off the network and into the IFD simulator? I imagine that this is probably easier than setting up a new output.
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vancinad
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"The sim also has autopilot mode so it is processing a LAT/LON in there somewhere."
I had the same thought. Somewhere there's a path through which the sim/autopilot in the trainer app is able to push position information. There's a good chance that path could be used by a software "shim" listening to XPlane or FSX position information and forwarding it to the IFD Trainer. The training value here would be off the charts -- completely superior to anything Garmin offers. |
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TogaDriver
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Generally, sim code of a working device is a branch of the "real" code that goes in the box. This allows the developer to update the sim periodically without too much fuss. The sim also has autopilot mode so it is processing a LAT/LON in there somewhere. Parsing an externally generated LAT/LON is probably not in the current code but if they can spit out ARINC 429 on a TCP port they can listen on the port for a LAT/LON.
SMOP (Simple Matter Of Programming). :-)
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HenryM
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I wonder if the IFD sim can take a GPS input, which would be required for XPlane to tell it where the plane is. Normally, it would be the SIM outputting GPS coordinates, if it is to emulate a real IFD. You wouldn't be able to use a real IFD with Plane, since I don't think it is set up to take a position input.
It is a bit complicated to synchronize two SIMs to make sure both devices think they are at a given location. There has to be a way to tell both which one is the position source and both would have to understand each other's information being sent around.
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TogaDriver
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OK, you all have me curious about this again.
Avi-Steve (or Simpson)? Can you ask what, if any, of the ARINC 429 OUT code is buried in the iPad Sim? If it is there, and your sim engineer simply spits the sentences out as TCP/IP packets on a dedicated port, I can decode that on the plug-in side and deliver them to x-plane. The other part of the puzzle is to tell the sim where x-plane is flying in some GPS location format. That would require the port to listen for this - probably on 5HZ refresh - in some agreed upon format. The last piece would be to add a switch in the app settings to enable this sim-port option. If the ARINC code lives in the sim the OUT should be pretty simple. Driving the sim from external GPS (and testing the feature) will be slightly harder. OFFER: I'm an app developer (iOS) as well. NDA me to modify the sim code and I'll help on both ends to implement this. Another side-benefit is that it'll probably work with the IFR certified version of x-plane as well and might help transition/refresh pilots while actually letting them log the time with a CFI in the sim. I could have used this the other day on my IPC. I ended up with so many white lines on the screen from obsolete approach legs that I had trouble seeing the approach I was on... Edited by TogaDriver - 07 Aug 2019 at 7:01pm |
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Just wanted to register a +1 for being able to drive the IFD emulator using x-Plane 11 location coordinates or the IFD100 app on a tablet.
Would be great for familiarisation with the kit on the ground.
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chflyer
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I have no idea, Simpson, how much effort it would be to get this output from the IFD sim. But from TogaDriver's comments, it sounds like the user base could take if from there to get x-plane integration if Avidyne could just give us this little feed....
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Thanks for the persistence Vince. Unfortunately, it was a no at the moment. Maybe that will change in the future.
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