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    Posted: 02 Nov 2016 at 6:47pm
I looked at the Aspen documentation which is immediately available re: 2.9, and it mostly speaks to integration with the STEC 55X.  Didn't see any mention of other changes, doesn't mean it's not there - just didn't see it.
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Yes, that would be great if the new Aspen v2.9 finally allows "resolver" output from its HSI to display the VOR-radials on our 540's...

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Hi I see on Aspens page that software version 2.9 is now out, or at least they have updated their manuals section to cover release 2.9. Has anyone installed this and can you validate that the VOR line functionality we were discussing on this topic has in fact been enabled? (Aspen resolver output now sent to the IFD540)
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Originally posted by ddgates ddgates wrote:


I think $400 is reasonable, and I also think it is worth it.

I did the same on my install and am happy with it.


Thanks for the PIREP. I told them to go ahead.

It's only 0.4 AUs!!

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I think $400 is reasonable, and I also think it is worth it.

I did the same on my install and am happy with it.


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I squawked and they cut the price to $400. Still high but better.

All they're doing is moving the 429 lines going to the IFD540 from the output side of the ACU to the input side of the ACU, where the 429 bus from the Aspen comes in. So the IFD540 and the ACU will be wired in parallel. The IFD540 will get its 429 data directly from the Aspen and will no longer be connected to the ACU 429 output.

Hope it works.

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That is a lot of $$, unless maybe the ACU is buried somewhere? There is no behind the panel access required, just access to the ACU.

I would ask them to review that quote.

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Our shop installed an Aspen and an IFD540 in our C-182 last spring, before Aspen revised its manual to allow the 429 bus Y connection. So our 429 is wired from the Aspen through the ACU to the Avidyne.

This week I asked the shop to install the parallel 429 connection from the Aspen directly to the IFD540. They just quoted my $640 plus parts for the job.

I know aviation is crazy but that seems high for running a wire between two boxes that are next to each other. Do you guys think it's reasonable?

As I understand it, if I spent the $$ I would get a heading bug, baro altitude, and winds aloft on  the IFD540. Is that correct? Is that stuff worth $640+??

This seems to be one of the costs of being an early adopter. If it had been wired that way to start with the cost would have been minimal.

Thanks

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ddgates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2016 at 7:25pm
IIRC after you wire this up, the 429 config has to br Honeywell EFIS on the IFD.

Edited by ddgates - 30 Jan 2016 at 7:25pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AzAv8r Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2016 at 1:03pm
The Aspen IM change that allows the direct ADC connection to the 440/540 (well, any device needing Air Data) is Note 2 of figure 9-28A.   There are other weasel-words elsewhere in the document that might call into question that interpretation, probably left over from before they made that update.   Just point out that note and diagram, redline it with the corresponding IFD440/540 inputs, and say "that's what I want".  Note 5 requires that they verify it works.   But based on what you see here, there is a VERY high probability of that being successful...
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Essentially yes.

An ACU is not needed if all the devices attached take a 429 input, but a number of nav radios and autopilots don't.

I could get rid of my ACU except for my non-digital autopilot.


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If the 540 can accept the 429 data directly from the PFD, what is the purpose of the ACU?  Is that an autopilot interface device?

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Very happy it works great. 
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Thanks of the replies. Will go over this with the shop and see if we can it it done.

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Well, we could sound off, I'm very happy. Even have the HDG BUG now, on the IFD540.

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Some how missed the part of the thread about setting up the ACU to run in parallel with the 540. Sounds like that is the best way to go to get that info into the 540.
Is everyone who had this done still happy with the outcome. 

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Yes.  What we did was have the shop do a Y connection (parallel), to the ACU and to the IFD.

The IFD now gets all the labels the ACU truncates.

Works fine.  Understanding is some wording change in the Aspen IM allows this.
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Actually, it is resolved. 

You just need to "Y" the 429 output from the ASPEN, and bypass the ACU with one leg sending it direct to the IFD540, the other leg reconnect to the ACU as the ACU itself needs the 429 input independently as well. Very simple, takes maybe 30 minutes.

All described upthread.

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Bringing this back to life because I don't think there ever was a resolution for getting baro alt from Aspen ACU to the 540. Was suggested that maybe possible to tap pins 26 & 27 off the Aspen to get the info into the 540.
Did anyone ever try this? Was it very complicated or expensive to rewire? 
Reason I maybe interested is that the GPS alt works for most everything I want except the manual sequencing on missed apps. My understanding is that if I had baro alt reference into the 540 would not have the manual sequence issue on the missed app.


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Yes for sure. If you have an ACU in there, it is serving some sort of linkage function.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ddgates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2015 at 6:36pm
But just for clarity if the ACU1 is feeding something else, say an autopilot, want to maintain its connection.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oskrypuch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2015 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by ddgates ddgates wrote:

I think you want to parallel the ACU1 and the IFD540.



In the previously STC limited setup, the 429 feed to the IFD540 would first go through the ACU, you really want to bypass the ACU on that connection.

So, yes, instead both the ACU and the IFD540 should get parallel, direct 429 feeds from the ASPEN. The ACU itself needs the 429 data as well, independent of considerations of what it passes on.

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I think you want to parallel the ACU1 and the IFD540.


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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

If Mike has had the heading bug displayed on his IFD540, then he must be bypassing the ACU, in the 429 feed to the IFD540. If so then I'm curious why he doesn't have wind vector as well.

BUT, if he is just seeing the aircraft heading on the IFD540, that doesn't correlate with the extra data fields that are stripped by the ACU.
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Good point. It may simply be the aircraft heading that I'm seeing on the IFD540.

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If Mike has had the heading bug displayed on his IFD540, then he must be bypassing the ACU, in the 429 feed to the IFD540. If so then I'm curious why he doesn't have wind vector as well.

BUT, if he is just seeing the aircraft heading on the IFD540, that doesn't correlate with the extra data fields that are stripped by the ACU.

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With your ACU1, TAS isn't getting through the ACU1 and that is needed for wind vectors.

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Originally posted by ddgates ddgates wrote:

If you have an ACU1,  TAS and BaroAlt don't get through.  540 needs those data pieces for winds etc.

You won't get selected heading bug on the 540 because the ACU1  doesn't pass that through.

Now I'm really confused!

Despite having an Aspen with ACU1, my IFD540 has always displayed the heading selected on the Aspen.

I don't remember whether it displays TAS but will check.

According to Steve, software update 10.1.0 was supposed to substitute GPS data for BARO input as follows:

Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

27. Don't need baro input for Vertical speed required and wind vector datablocks.

By that logic, I should be seeing the wind vector in my IFD540, but I'm not!

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If you have an ACU1,  TAS and BaroAlt don't get through.  540 needs those data pieces for winds etc.

You can get VSR because 10.1 allows the use of GPSAlt if no BaroAlt is available.

You won't get selected heading bug on the 540 because the ACU1  doesn't pass that through.

I just had my shop put the ACU1 and 540 in parallel for 429 output from the Aspen.  Doesn't take a lot of work and I think it is worth it.
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What data are you seeing on your IFD540 after the "ACU workaround" that you weren't getting before?

My IFD540 is connected to an Aspen EFD1000Pro with ACU1. After the 10.1.0 software upgrade, I'm getting all datablocks including VSR, EXCEPT the winds aloft, which still won't populate (shows blank). I was under the impression that this would be resolved by 10.1.0 but apparently not.

My ARINC 429 Config page is set up as follows:
In 1: Honeywell EFIS, Speed Low
In 2: Garmin GTX 330 w/Traffic, Speed High
Out 1: GAMA 429 Graphics w/Int, Speed Low
Out 2: ARINC 743A, Speed Low

Do I need to ask my installer to perform the "ACU workaround" in order to see Winds Aloft data on my IFD540?

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I just had my shop in Scottsdale do the ACU workaround.

I haven't seen it yet but they tell me all is working with no problems.

I hope that's true.

EDIT: Another Bonanza pilot did this workaround today with his shop; doesn't seem like a huge process to make this change.  By what he reports, the parallel installation is working.






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Somewhat in reverse logic, does anybody know if it is possible -

To tie into a pin on the 540 (429-output) from a specific 540 "data-block" like Nearest Apt to display on the Aspen RMI input?

What a great intuitive and useful data point to extract for situational awareness from the 540 to display on the Aspen PFD. 

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My shop was now convinced to mod the install to have the ACU and 540 in parallel. The 540 is now getting all the datatags.

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Aspen's IM (Rev. BD), Figure 9-28A now has a footnote regarding Digital Heading Outputs:

"If ACU is installed parallel this EFD output with ACU and other device requiring A429 and/or Air Data"

The EFD output referenced is pins 26 and 27, the ARINC 429 output from the EFD.

I interpret this footnote to permit installation of the ACU in parallel on the 429 output.

That should allow use of the ACU, but also connection of the 540(s) to pins 26 and 27, parallel to the ACU.
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It is a certification issue, the acu's purposely limit the data tags passed. The 540 would have no trouble with the data, but some equipment could. To add more data tags would require more testing and $$.

That is the same reason that the Aspen uses an external sono alert, instead of an audio out to the audio panel, it would have taken more testing/certification.

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I don't have a good picture of how these two are wired together, so maybe the following doesn't make sense but here goes. It sounds like the 429 data passes from the Aspen through the ACU or ACU2 if there is one present, and at that point some of the data is stripped off before it is passed along to the IFD540. Presumably there is firmware in the ACU that is doing this stripping function. Isn't there another option where a firmware upgrade to the ACU allows passage of the data of interest? If a software change to the EFD1000 is contemplated as a fix for the resolver data problem, why not change the ACU firmware at the same time if this is needed to allow for the data to pass through to the IFD540 along the common data bus, which seems like the most logical way to do this?
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I agree that could be true for VSR.

However, I'd still like Baro-alt for AGL callouts (e.g., "500 ft") - because your minima are Baro-alt not GPS derived.
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Quote The issue you are alluding to is that some of the cool vertical calculations are not completed in the 540 unless barometric altitude (not altimeter setting) is available. For 10.1, the 540 will use its internal GPS altitude to do the same, in lieu of barometric altitude from remote source.

I have to say I'm disappointed this wasn't part of Avidyne's original software for the IFD540.  Vertical speed required is a critical feature for many of us who fly high-performance aircraft.  Garmin has incorporated this into both its panel-mount and portable navigators for years, using GPS altitude with no need for BARO information.  So it's not like this is anything new!

Waiting patiently for the big spring software upgrade...

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What is also needed as mentioned elsewhere is a way to pick off ARINC 429 air data even when an ACU 1 is in place.  There are pinouts which could accomplish this, but Aspen's IM needs a verbiage change to allow installers to interface those.
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Wow that's great news. Thanks for keeping after them to add this capability. I'm looking forward to it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote n7ifr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 5:34pm
Good News!!!!

Heard back today from Tim McNany at Aspen re: future Aspen software upgrades to drive 540 vLOC and OBS Nav-source directly without an external resolver CDI:


Tom,

 This is coming with the Level B display  {Level B is for aircraft over 6000lb MTOW and the helicopters}  this summer so I would think it is something we will add to the Level C display like yours after that.  I don’t have any time frame but do know that the level C software will be going to version 2.9 later this year for the 55X interface which also requires some A429 label changes so it could happen by years end.

 

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So, looks good for an end of year Aspen upgrade work around!


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[QUOTE=n7ifr]"Also thanks for adding your voice to those wanting this feature with the Aspen. While there is a workaround with the CDI resolver, Id rather have it driven from the Aspen HSI for one common control and view."

Ben,
I decided to re-visit this issue with Aspen (Tim McNany) since the IFD540 includes this great novelty feature as one of the cool features of the old MX20/GMX200's- my external resolver CDI serves to display the VOR radials on the MX as I turn the OBS knob.

However, this is just redundant busy work for a cosmetic feature - It would be intuitively functional and logical for the Aspen PFD when switched (automatically by the 540 vLOC Nav button) into PFD vLOC HSI mode, to display the VOR To/Fr radials on the 540 as the Aspen OBS knob was turned to the desired radial!  So, I just shot this new note off to Tim:

"Hi Tim,

Its been a while since ironing out most of the interface issues with my Dual Aspens and GNS480/MX20.

I will be upgrading to the Avidyne IFD540 (removing 480/MX20) and I have been reading the 540 Pilot Manual quite carefully… and see a “deja-Vu all over again” as I had to install an external Resolver CDI to allow the 480 to display VOR radials on the MX20 and unflag the internal 480 CDI.

Reference IFD540 manual pp. 5-10, describing  that with an external “resolver” type CDI, the 540 in vLOC mode will display the VOR TO/FR radials.  

A number of 540 users (on the Avidyne Forum) are already frustrated that the Aspen PFD HSI will not provide such a “Resolver” output to enable display on the 540 of the indicated radials that the Aspen in vLOC Mode is displaying by rotation of its OBS knob to a proper radial…

Tim, is there now a work around so as to avoid installing a separate external CDI device?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts."

Tom Wolf
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Originally posted by n7ifr n7ifr wrote:


Unrelated question in reference to 540 Pilot Manual 5-10:  With a GPS course in place, and subsequent switching the Nav source from GPS--> to vLOC e.g. to display the VOR radial on the 540, will this in effect disengage the GPS course input to the EFIS or Autopilot (in favor of the NAV) until switched back to GPS, or can the GPS course remain as signal source for EFIS/AP?

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Correct.   We designed the IFD540 such that the nav source indication that is displayed in green in the top right corner of the display is the source that CDI/EFIS/Autopilot deviations are all referenced to.

I suppose in a dual IFD system, you can change the nav sources such that one is VLOC and the other is GPS and  then use a 1-2 switch on the EFIS/Autopilot (if one exists) or on the panel to control what source you want being sent to a given box at any given time.  I use that type of setup all the time in our company test aircraft.
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"Also thanks for adding your voice to those wanting this feature with the Aspen. While there is a workaround with the CDI resolver, Id rather have it driven from the Aspen HSI for one common control and view."

Ben,
Last conversation with Tim at Aspen (about a year ago) there was no Aspen plan for a fix as it was considered a purposeful "safety software design feature" to avoid confusion on which device the PFD was driving... (clear as mud).

I re read the 540 manual section 5-10 which states in the detail that an external CDI capable of driving the display (Resolver type CDI) must be used.  So, I may keep my CDI on place for this nice but not critical feature.
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Hi Tom

Thanks for the information on the VOR line issue. I didn't really expect that there was a path to getting the VOR line from the Aspen based on Steve's earlier answer. It does seem like the heading bug ought to be working, as I am on a software rev above that he says is working, and am configured for Honeywell EFIS, but since this was a reverse engineered feature, it may have gone away in later software revisions.

For my MX20 GX60 set up I also had an SL30, which was used to create the VOR course using the OBS function via RS232. So no external resolver was involved. Unfortunately there's no way to select an external VLOC source for the 540, so I don't think this can be wired and I would have to replace my current analog CDI as you suggest.

It seems odd to me that Aspen would not pass whatever data they have available along to other devices. When you spoke to Tim did they indicate they would do this at some point? It seems like it would be good for business to enable as much functionality as possible for other devices when they are the "other guys" in the business.

Also thanks for adding your voice to those wanting this feature with the Aspen. While there is a workaround with the CDI resolver, Id rather have it driven from the Aspen HSI for one common control and view.

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Thank you for clarification - I will share this with installer in 2 weeks.

Unrelated question in reference to 540 Pilot Manual 5-10:  With a GPS course in place, and subsequent switching the Nav source from GPS--> to vLOC e.g. to display the VOR radial on the 540, will this in effect disengage the GPS course input to the EFIS or Autopilot (in favor of the NAV) until switched back to GPS, or can the GPS course remain as signal source for EFIS/AP?

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There is an ARINC 429 output (a standard protocol for inter-device communication) from the ASPEN, which depending on how you read the ASPEN install manual, can or cannot be tied directly to another instrument. If your installer will tie it directly, then all the data blocks will get to the 540, and it will use them.

The standard installation routes that 429 output, instead, through the ACU, which filters most of the data blocks out. It was a certification thing by ASPEN that created this limitation.

It is indeed, all a bit muddled.

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speaking of muddled - 
"There is a problem with that, the barometric pressure and CAS do not populate to the 540 automatically in most setups. As such, such a display would/could be in error."

"If you have no ACU (no need for analog interfacing) then you can use a direct feed of data from the ASPEN, which does pass that information."

So, how would the "direct feed of data from the Aspen" be input to the 540 so as to populate automatically?

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Originally posted by n7ifr n7ifr wrote:

Thanks for an amazingly fast response.
I thought I read that the next 540 software would receive the Baro automatically from a source like Aspen PFD/MFD (which I have).  

So, one Baro setting change on the Aspen PFD would hopefully automatically populate into the 540 as well... Will this be the case (hopefully)?

Tom W.

No, you're getting things a bit muddled.

The issue you are alluding to is that some of the cool vertical calculations are not completed in the 540 unless barometric altitude (not altimeter setting) is available. For 10.1, the 540 will use its internal GPS altitude to do the same, in lieu of barometric altitude from remote source.

As to the altimeter setting and CAS, the 540 cannot load that unless it is sent. The ASPEN ACUs (original and ACU2) do not pass those data fields. If you have no ACU (no need for analog interfacing) then you can use a direct feed of data from the ASPEN, which does pass that information.

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Ben,

As I wait for my 540 install (with dual Aspens), I read your note on the VOR radials not displaying on the 540 from Aspen vLOC source... I agree this is a great feature and I am thrilled to see Avidyne has incorporated this in the vLOC display - however,...  

This may help explain:  I had exactly the same issue with my Aspen PFD and GNS480 to MX20, and the long & short of it is (after extensive discussions with Tim McNany at Aspen) that the Aspen PFD internal HSI software does not supply outgoing "Resolver" type signal to drive the VOR radial display on MX (and apparently IFD540) (or to drive the GNS480 internal CDI) ....

The solution was to have a separate external CDI with "Resolver" output (Mid Continent 222-406) to drive the MX & 480 - and I am guessing the IFD540 as well.  
I was going to extract and sell my Mid Continent CDI with the 540 install, but now I may keep it for just the same display reason!  
Hope this helps.

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Thanks for an amazingly fast response.
I thought I read that the next 540 software would receive the Baro automatically from a source like Aspen PFD/MFD (which I have).  

So, one Baro setting change on the Aspen PFD would hopefully automatically populate into the 540 as well... Will this be the case (hopefully)?

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