OK, nearly end of summer

Well.... I guess I have to disagree... the symbology (60 second "tail", target direction in particular) I used quite a bit to sequence between two C-130s during hurricane harvey relief flights into Beaumont...

Don’t worry about me, there is no incoming damage!

Actually, knowing that I can hit back and don’t just have to suck up whatever a big multinational does to me, but that I can do something effective in return, makes me feel much better than I would as a worm being trodden on!

Do none of the rest of you feel powerless and resentful when Verizon, Apple or whoever screws you over and you can do nothing? Does it not lift your feeling of self-worth if you can step out from under the heel of the oppressor?

Come on guys! Nearly everyone here is a highly successful American citizen, right? Is not your great country built on a sense of individual worth and self-actualisation? Let the Sheeple rise! :-D   Historically, it has not taken a Brit to tell you that :-D

And Avidyne’s complete silence only makes matters worse. If I knew for certain that they had wound up the project, I could book in to get a Garmin transponder fitted and forget the whole situation, but as things stand I am like a rabbit in the headlights, not knowing which way to jump.

Regarding the Garmin situation, I don’t fully understand it, but it would seem that you get the TCAS symbol from ADS-B, which is therefore much more accurately placed than a XPNDR derived return, and appropriate traffic warnings. What you are missing is things like callsign and RoC/RoD. This is a couple of orders of magnitude down from the Avidyne situation, where you don’t get to see the ADS-B return at all.

In the Garmin case you know it’s there and can avoid it, but suffer the indignity of not knowing whether it’s JetBlue or AA you’ve missed, in the Avidyne case you just merrily pile on into it ;-)

Yep, sounds similar.

Stiletto:

Stiletto1 wrote: Just FYI, a comment clipped from a post on BeechTalk today: "I would like my GTS800 to display ADS-B symbology as promised back in 2014, and I am still waiting for this."

IFR flights without IFR flight plans are allowed in uncontrolled airspace in the US as well, although it's pretty reckless IMHO to do that here or anywhere where GA air traffic is dense.

DavidBunin wrote: Timothy Nathan wrote: You soon recognize an airspace that is pretty much unknown anywhere else in the world. I encourage you to experience flight in the LA basin on a nice day.

LANCE wrote: I think whatever point he was trying to make was made 20 posts ago. Time to move on.

Stiletto1 wrote: ...I get it now, though I think Timothy should be a bit more careful in how he characterizes the situation.

Edited by oskrypuch - 10 Nov 2017 at 12:05am

Stiletto1 wrote: Interesting.  I've never heard of such a thing.

All who bought units in that time frame were given a "coupon" redeemable for a TAS-A unit when approved.  It turns out that means a unit exchange.

Edited by ddgates - 09 Nov 2017 at 5:30pm

I didn’t pay a deposit. I had to decide between Garmin and Avidyne on a new install. I was told that Garmin already had ADS-B but was relatively expensive, and that Avidyne was just as good, cheaper and would be adding ADS-B, free of charge, very soon and would issue a promissory note to that effect.

Foolishly, knowing much less about Avidyne then than I do now, I went the Avidyne route, got the voucher and waited.

That wait has now turned into a joke.

If I had done my due diligence properly, I would have found out how free Avidyne is with their promises and how easy they are with breaking them, but in my innocence I took the installer’s word for it and went ahead.

When it became clear that they were going to renege on their promises, certainly in timescale, but now, it would seem, in totality, I started advising people against buying Avidyne. I have a lot of face-to-face contact with IFR pilots because I am seen as something of an expert on PBN, and PBN is the “next big thing” in Europe. I agree that railing on forums doesn’t gain much traction, and I don’t do it much, unless people are specifically asking whether they should go GNS upgrade, GTN or IFD (a very common question in Europe as PBN compliance becomes mandatory).

Word got back to Avidyne that I was briefing against them, and indeed they knew about a number of specific lost sales, and they “made me an offer” and “appealed to my humanity.”

So, it’s wrong to describe it as a return of deposit, and I apologise for being lazy in my description, but that is a full description.

Timothy Nathan wrote: They offered me approximately $2000 to relieve them of their obligation.

Timothy Nathan wrote: Stiletto1 wrote: Fact is my plane is going in early spring for a new stack.  Would be nice if Avidyne had a dual band in competitor to the GTX345R by then. After all that you have read on here, why would that stack be Avidyne, or have any Avidyne equipment?  I have overseen two new stacks over the last year.  GTN750, GTN650 and in one case Aspen, the other G600.  Both have WX500, Garmin Mode S, Garmin audio panel.  Both have been faultless and "just worked".   Why would you buy into all the overheating problems, certification issues and after-sales issues that you know you are going to get from Avidyne?

Stiletto1 wrote: Fact is my plane is going in early spring for a new stack.  Would be nice if Avidyne had a dual band in competitor to the GTX345R by then.

Stiletto1 wrote: .... here in the states I would consider TAS to be redundant if not obsolete technology. ...

Edited by oskrypuch - 08 Nov 2017 at 8:55am

Timothy Nathan wrote: I will simply cross post from another forum: T., I’ve just had this done (with TAS600and GTX345) and NYCYankee is correct: the TAS600 feeds into the GTX which merges its traffic with ADSB-in. This is then displayed on the GTNs and the iPad via Bluetooth.

Sir, many of us have the same dilemma.  FWIW, there haven't been many more vocal that me in chiding Avidyne to prioritize this promise made, I believe, 5 or 6 years ago, and as yet unfulfilled.

Experience suggests that our "barristers" will take on class actions where :

Edited by ddgates - 25 Oct 2017 at 10:38am

ansond wrote: I do realize that Garmin has an ODA.   Why doesn't Avidyne?  Would it be possible for Avidyne to try to hire an ODA or train one of their current employees to become the company's ODA? Would that be possible?

Timothy Nathan wrote: ...electronic conspicuity, whereby everything which flies either has feathers or squits its position on ADS-B.

Edited by ddgates - 19 Oct 2017 at 9:23am

Regardless of the issue, a company should not advertise a product or feature before it is certified or within days of certification.

tony wrote: So I'm guessing you have no experience certifying software with the FAA.  Its an eye opening, extremely frustrating, ordeal if you do not have an ODA in place.  So before we start comparing Garmin to Avidyne, Garmin has an ODA.  Avidyne does not.  I'm sure Avidyne is just as frustrated as everyone else.

As someone who has approx 25 years specifically in the software development arena, Avidyne's delays and clarity issues in their release roadmaps/activities are indeed a bit worrisome. They seem to be prone to significant delays without reasonable cause that they are willing to reveal.