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Avidyne at Sun N Fun said no SkyTrax or MLB200 (Dual Band) in the future
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If they don't want to produce one, it would be nice to at least be compatible with another dual receiver so we can display traffic and weather on the IFD.

I guess this becomes a 10.2.1 request then rather than a receiver request.



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Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

Avidyne at Sun N Fun said no SkyTrax or MLB200 (Dual Band) in the future


In my humble opinion, I think that's a mistake.

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With 10.2, we are compatible with the GTX345 which is dual-band. Additionally, L3 has listed our IFD as a compatible display for their Lynx, which is also dual-band.
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Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

Avidyne at Sun N Fun said no SkyTrax or MLB200 (Dual Band) in the future
I wouldn't rule anything out in the future.
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Hi there,is there an stc for Garmin es-330 or gtx345 with IFD 540/440 with 10.2 yet?
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From the Avidyne IFD540 features web page:
 

ADS-B Interface

  • Avidyne TAS605A/TAS615A/ TAS620A (Traffic)
  • Avidyne SkyTrax 100/200/210
What is a Skytrax 200/ 210 ???
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Originally posted by AviSimpson AviSimpson wrote:

With 10.2, we are compatible with the GTX345 which is dual-band. Additionally, L3 has listed our IFD as a compatible display for their Lynx, which is also dual-band.

AviSimpson, thanks for the heads up about those units, but this thread is about dual band receivers.  Support for those units and not a dual receiver makes those of us who purchased an AXP340 wish we bought a product from one of your competitors...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bellanca1730a Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2017 at 6:34am
Originally posted by brou0040 brou0040 wrote:

Originally posted by AviSimpson AviSimpson wrote:

With 10.2, we are compatible with the GTX345 which is dual-band. Additionally, L3 has listed our IFD as a compatible display for their Lynx, which is also dual-band.



AviSimpson, thanks for the heads up about those units, but this thread is about dual band receivers.  Support for those units and not a dual receiver makes those of us who purchased an AXP340 wish we bought a product from one of your competitors...


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Originally posted by AviSimpson AviSimpson wrote:

Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

Avidyne at Sun N Fun said no SkyTrax or MLB200 (Dual Band) in the future
I wouldn't rule anything out in the future.


Here's hoping ... and for sooner rather than later.



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Originally posted by Thinwing Thinwing wrote:

Hi there,is there an stc for Garmin es-330 or gtx345 with IFD 540/440 with 10.2 yet?
Yes, it's the 10.2 STC.
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Originally posted by Gary T Gary T wrote:

ADS-B Interface
  • Avidyne TAS605A/TAS615A/ TAS620A (Traffic)
  • Avidyne SkyTrax 100/200/210
What is a Skytrax 200/ 210 ???


SkyTrax 100 is the receive-only box for ADS-B traffic and weather on 978MHz.
SkyTrax 200 is a transmitter and receiver (UAT) for ADS-B Out and In on 978MHz, using an external GPS (IFD/GNS/GTN) as the position source.
SkyTrax 210 is a transmitter and receiver (UAT) for ADS-B Out and In on 978MHz, using a built-in GPS as the position source.  In other words, this is a stand-alone unit.

The 200 and 210 are not available yet.

Some of us still have hope (faded, though it may be) that all of these products will have an upgrade path to receive dual-band someday.  But for now they are 978-only receivers.
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Originally posted by DavidBunin DavidBunin wrote:

Originally posted by Gary T Gary T wrote:

ADS-B Interface
  • Avidyne TAS605A/TAS615A/ TAS620A (Traffic)
  • Avidyne SkyTrax 100/200/210
What is a Skytrax 200/ 210 ???


SkyTrax 100 is the receive-only box for ADS-B traffic and weather on 978MHz.
SkyTrax 200 is a transmitter and receiver (UAT) for ADS-B Out and In on 978MHz, using an external GPS (IFD/GNS/GTN) as the position source.
SkyTrax 210 is a transmitter and receiver (UAT) for ADS-B Out and In on 978MHz, using a built-in GPS as the position source.  In other words, this is a stand-alone unit.

The 200 and 210 are not available yet.

Some of us still have hope (faded, though it may be) that all of these products will have an upgrade path to receive dual-band someday.  But for now they are 978-only receivers.

The SkyTrax200 & 210 will not be coming out in the aforementioned form. There is little to no demand in the market for a 978 Out transceiver.
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Originally posted by AviSimpson AviSimpson wrote:

The SkyTrax200 & 210 will not be coming out in the aforementioned form. There is little to no demand in the market for a 978 Out transceiver.
???  Huh.  My preference would have been for a 978 Out transceiver, for the air-to-air capability with my fellow little-guys.  I "settled" for the 1090ES because it was the cleanest solution available at the time I was doing a major panel project.
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It is harder and harder to stay a fanboy: Garmin came out with the 345, which is really the perfect box for the ADS-B mandate. I had sold my GTX33 and GTX330 that I had in my planes because I decided to go the IFD540 route, so it was only the AXPs that worked at that time, and there was no information that this would change. Now I lose the MLB700 weather, so I have to buy an MLB100, again with less capability. Cost of the AXP & MLB100 is already higher than the Garmin 345, with less capability and a higher install cost/effort. And as the icing on the cake, the 345 now works with the IFD540, giving better capability than the house brand stuff. Just shows that us early adopters get burned, every time. End Rant.
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I replaced my 530W with an IFD540 this month and will be going in in June to have a Garmin 345 installed in my Twin Comanche.  I would have preferred to go with Avidyne ADS-B equipment for the sake of future compatibility, but the Garmin makes much more sense at this point.  The Garmin has many more features than the Avidyne does including tablet display of weather and traffic and dual band ADS-B in, it is a one box solution which simplifies installation, and the cost is lower than the combined cost of an Avidyne transponder and their Skytrax100 box.  Seems to me that Avidyne needs to take a serious look at their ADS-B products and pricing if they are going to be competitive.
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I agree that the 345 is a slick product.  Definitely second-generation thinking.

If every receiver was dual-band capable then it wouldn't matter what band we use for ADS-B Out.  (And there are already frequency saturation issues with 1090MHz.)

My experience has been that the ADS-R function of the network is not reliable enough where it really matters (in the traffic pattern at most small airports).  So in order to "see and" I want a dual band receiving capability.  But in order to "be seen" I would need to have a dual-band transmitter, which as far as I know is not offered or proposed by any manufacturer, or I would need two transmitters which some airplanes seem to have.

Just thinking out loud.


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Originally posted by DavidBunin DavidBunin wrote:

I....But in order to "be seen" I would need to have a dual-band transmitter, which as far as I know is not offered or proposed by any manufacturer, or I would need two transmitters which some airplanes seem to have.

Just thinking out loud.

Well, there is a TAS solution available. Pricier (perhaps too pricey now for the US market), but a much more complete solution, and it one day will have ADS-B IN from 1090 and ADS-R built-in.

My TAS605 is a real performer, and you can send traffic data to any panel mount device from it, ASPEN, Avidyne, Garmin etc.

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Well, there is a TAS solution available. Pricier (perhaps too pricey now for the US market), but a much more complete solution, and it one day will have ADS-B IN from 1090 and ADS-R built-in.

My TAS605 is a real performer, and you can send traffic data to any panel mount device from it, ASPEN, Avidyne, Garmin etc.

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And it looks like maybe there might be some movement on the -A project.

It was posted on another thread on this board by Avidyne that they were commiting more resources to get the -A piece tested and certified.

One can hope anyway.  Quite a few customers are waiting for this.

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Originally posted by DavidBunin DavidBunin wrote:

I....But in order to "be seen" I would need to have a dual-band transmitter...

Well, there is a TAS solution available ... My TAS605 is a real performer, and you can send traffic data to any panel mount device from it,


That does NOTHING to help other pilots/aircraft see me.

Imagine that the other traffic only has a UAT installed.  That guy won't see me unless I am transmitting on 978MHz.  (In this scenario, we are both in the pattern at an airport outside/below network coverage altitude.)

Of course, if I have a dual-band receiver that equipment will detect his target and display it for me.  But his equipment would not detect me if I only broadcast on 1090MHz.

My point is that "see and be seen" contains a serious flaw in a dual-band environment.  And dual-band receivers only solve half of the problem.

ADS-R solves the problem at altitude, but most so-called "mid-air" collisions don't really happen in the middle of the air.  They happen mostly in the traffic pattern or on short final when two aircraft attempt to use one runway.  Exactly the place where the network drops you off and says, "Thanks, see you next time."

Of course, most of those places are well-outside rule airspace.  And I am starting to get the impression that there are more "rancher pilots" than the FAA thought.  Those pilots simply won't equip for ADS-B because they don't use rule airspace.  These are the same guys who exercise their option not to use a radio to announce their position, and their airplane probably doesn't have any kind of traffic display system in the first place.

I guess I'm just "not feeling it" this morning.  Sorry guys.
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None of this stuff will protect you against the NORDO J3 that pulls out onto the runway when you are on (really) short final, as happened to my wife at an airport under Boston's Mode C veil.  The FAA says "see and avoid" and we need to do that.
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