Release 8.2
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Forum Name: EX-Series Multi-Function Displays
Forum Description: Topics related to the Avidyne EX500, EX600, and EX5000 Multi-Function Displays (MFDs)
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Topic: Release 8.2
Posted By: AviJake
Subject: Release 8.2
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 1:17pm
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I don't think we've publicized our plans for an EX500/600/5000 software update so here you go: R8.2 enables the display of ADS-B IN Traffic and
subscription-free FIS-B Wx on Avidyne’s EX500, EX600, and EX5000 Series MFDs
using Avidyne SkyTrax 100 receiver and SkyTrax 200/210 transceivers. This release will be available later this year. ------------- Steve Jacobson sjacobson@avidyne.com |
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Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 7:33pm
| Steve -- After you guys work out the issue with L3 Lynx FIS-B and TIS-B displaying on IFDs (see http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=849&PN=2&title=connecting-with-an-ngt-9000), will that also provide a ready pathway to also enabling L3 Lynx FIS-B and TIS-B data displayed on the EX5000C (after R8.2 is installed)? |
Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2016 at 3:07am
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Or other third party ADS-B TIS sources, like the Garmin 3x5 transponders? |
Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2016 at 8:39am
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Just answered a similar question on a different thread. Here's the cut and paste from that: Well we just got a GTX345 ourselves to use for integration testing - so far, no success but it's still early. However, Release 8.2 is focused on the Avidyne supplied ADS-B devices since those are what we know and those are under our control to ensure we have full access to the data protocols and that they won't change. Therefore, I would not count on Rel 8.2 supporting the GTX345 (or L3 Lynx) at this time. ------------- Steve Jacobson sjacobson@avidyne.com |
Posted By: TangoCharlie
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 12:56pm
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On a software-related note, I was speaking with Bendix King about their RDR 2060 upgrade. Is this supported by the EX500? They suggested it might work if the EX500 was configured in RDR 2100 mode as they are quite similar. Mainly I was thinking about sector scan support and the increased range. --Mark ------------- --Mark M |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2017 at 5:23pm
| Any updates on the progress of the 8.2 software? |
Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 1:19pm
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It's progressing at the moment. Still optimistic of a mid-year target timeframe. ------------- Simpson Bennett Avidyne Corporation Product Manager |
Posted By: GYORC
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 5:00am
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Any news about the 8.2 MFD update? When will it be available? ------------- Cirrus SR22-G2 GTS, Avidyne Entegra, DFC90 |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 9:16am
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In the IFD thread, AviTJ states this morning, "... In fact, our recent releases into legacy products of R9, Entegra and EX500/600 MFDs this month has effectively extended the useful life in these products that were initially created long before ADS-B was a topic of conversation." http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1444&PID=17920&title=ifd-1021-bug-fix-release-timing#17920 What is this month's Entegra release? R8.2? I have missed any announcements about Entegra releases. Thanks. ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: AviTJ
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 9:19am
8.2 hasn't been officially released yet Larry, but it is very, very close. I'm certain we'll be announcing it very soon.
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LarryPetro wrote:Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 1:33pm
| We have been hearing this "very soon" for 2 years now! |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 10:18pm
TJ, how soon is very soon. It has been very soon forever now! Please advise if you have any confirmed predictions
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Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 4:18pm
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I received an email from this forum indicating a new message from Ibraham was posted yesterday, which was a follow up to a message posted by billyhasat@gmail.com regarding the approval of Release 8.2 by the FAA. But that Cirrus had to approve it, which they say they will not do. While the two messages are interesting and present a conundrum for Cirrus owners, my question is, why are they not appearing on this forum? I seem to remember something like this happening before on another forum as well. Puzzling. Would also request input from Avidyne as to where this leaves Release 8.2 for those of us with EX5000 MFDs in the panel.
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Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 4:46pm
I'm having the same experience receiving email notices of new posts, but then not seeing that post on the Forum. And, the Recent Post feature updates once a week, or so. I also notice that the "current time" at the top of the Forum home page is grossly in error. ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 9:36pm
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Avi Steve/TJ Please update the status of Revision 8.2 for the MFD Thank you
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 10:20am
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Avidyne has completed the TSO of software 8.2 with EX5000, however, the OEM is the holder of the TC and must provide further approval. Avidyne has communicated to the OEMs that the software is available and will continue to engage them to support our customers. We recommend owners/dealers also reach out to the OEM for assistance. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 10:47am
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Steve, I have a Columbia 350 with an EX5000 running R8.1. What changes were made with R8.2 since R8.1? As I understand you, I need to contact Cessna in order to install R8.2 in my plane. Correct? -Larry ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 11:05am
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Release 8.2 incorporates ADS-B traffic and weather. Yes, installation approval must be granted by the holder of the type certificate, so you'll have to contact them. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 11:21am
Thanks, Steve. So, looking back through this thread, unless I have a SkyTrax 100, or want to gamble on another ADS-B IN device interfacing correctly to the EX5000, R8.2 provides no improvements over R8.1. Correct? -Larry ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 11:26am
Yes, I think it's safe to say that if you're happy with your traffic and weather solutions and you have no need/desire to display those products from an ADS-B IN device on your MFD, then there's no compelling reason to upgrade it. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 12:24pm
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Thanks, Steve. I am reasonably satisfied with the display of weather information on the EX5000 from my XM Aviator Lite subscription and my WX-500. For the next year, I'll also continue to display traffic from my GTX330. My preference would be to display ADS-B dual-frequency traffic and FIS-B weather, which I hope that eventually the EX5000 will be capable. -Larry ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 2:48pm
Steve -- Regarding weather: Will the MFD as upgraded to 8.2 retain the capability of displaying XM weather? Or will the upgrade terminate XM compatibility, and only display ADS-B derived weather? Or perhaps, become capable of displaying either ADS-B or XM weather, as may be selected in setup or perhaps even during flight? Regarding traffic: I have an ADS-B In traffic solution (Lynx 9000+ with internally incorporated Skywatch) that displays the full traffic icon on my iPad. But with the Lynx traffic input my EX5000C is only capable of displaying the former standard traffic icon. With the 8.2 upgrade, will the MFD now display the full ADS-B traffic icon on the MFD, as my iPad does now from the Lynx traffic input? For what it's worth, the Lynx is supposed to be Capstone compliant. I understand there was some communication between L3 and Avidyne over this issue.
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 3:28pm
Yes 8.2 still has the capability to display XM weather. It's all in the setup. While release 8.2 will display ADS-B traffic, it will continue to display the old style traffic icons. That's because the MFD is a level D box and the TSO requires level C in order to display the new symbology. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 4:33pm
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Steve, When was the TSO for release 8.2 completed? What is the process for the certificate holder (Cirrus in our case) to approve it? Thank you Ibrahim
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 4:41pm
March 12. I don't know the process to approve it. That's a question for Cirrus. *I edited this post because originally I typed "March 21" because of keyboard dyslexia.
------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 10:52pm
| Thanks for the info, I wish it was posted here as we have been "patiently" waiting for 8.2 for 2 years, now we have to wait for Cirrus to approve, hopefully they will do it soon. I wish things were simpler. |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2018 at 1:46pm
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Hello Jake, With release 8.2, would the EX5000 interface with the Garmin GTX 345 to display traffic (once Cirrus approves it)? Since IFD 440 release 10.2.1 removed aural alerts for traffic which was the main reason for installing ADS-B in for us, and the Skytrax 100 no longer being supported or updated, we are considering the GTX 345. The GTX 345 independently announces traffic through the intercom with bearing, distance and relative altitude. Thank you Ibrahim
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 7:40am
If the GTX345 outputs using Capstone format, then yes. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 8:36pm
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Steve, Given you guys support the GTX345 with the IFD navigators, presumably someone at Avidyne knows whether they output the right “Capstone” compatible message, right? This is literally a $1000 question for many people considering the 8.2 MFD software upgrade. Does Castone compatibility also include ADS-B weather from the 345? Thanks! |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 11:21am
Capstone format includes both weather and traffic. GTX345 outputs Capstone format, so yes it is compatible with MFD release 8.2. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 11:25am
| Can the IFD 440 be used as a GPS source for the GTX 345 that does not have a built in GPS? |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 11:28am
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I contacted Cirrus regarding revision 8.2, this is the reply from field service: Ibrahim:
Here's an update for you. I brought the issue to our Avionics & Electrical Engineering Team. They are working towards a resolution. I have not received an answer at this time. Will advise when they issue an official response. I do not know when they will release the response. I appreciate your patience in this matter. Ross Sarkela Field Support Representative CIRRUS AIRCRAFT Corporation |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 11:32am
Yes ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 1:21pm
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Steve, Great, thank you for all your help and the information. |
Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 5:10pm
| Great! Thanks Steve!! |
Posted By: mcatanese
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 10:43am
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Hi Steve... I have a Bonanza with an EX500. Is that also supported with this release? If so, what do I need to do to update it? Side question....the EX500 occasionally shows a 'traffic fail' and then it comes back to normal after a few seconds. Is this a known issue with software and was that fixed in this release?
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 12:01pm
Yes, the upgrade is also available for the EX500, but for that unit it is actually called "Release 4.2". Avidyne has teamed with Duncan Aviation for EX500 maintenance, so you'll need to contact Duncan for the upgrade. Avidyne and Duncan are still working out the last few details, though, so don't be surprised if they say it's not available yet. It will be shortly. The occasional traffic fail message isn't a software issue that I'm aware of, so my best advice there is to talk to your avionics shop or to talk with Duncan. http://www.duncanaviation.aero" rel="nofollow - www.duncanaviation.aero 402-475-2611 ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: mcatanese
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 2:11pm
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Thanks Steve! So I just got off the phone with Duncan and they specifically said that the 4.2 release for the EX500 will allow ADS-B weather but NOT XM weather. I had thought you could switch back and forth but evidently not. I guess I would be looking for a definitive answer from Avidyne on that.
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 2:26pm
That is incorrect. You can configure the EX500 for either XM or ADS-B weather. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 9:25am
| Still waiting for Cirrus and Avidyne to agree on a solution for release 8.2, hopefully they will work together instead of shifting the blame on who should approve it for release to the customers. |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 9:54am
For my 2004 Columbia 350 I asked Textron Aviation Piston Support regarding their plans for the EX5000 R8.2 update. Three weeks ago I received their response:Seems to me that unless Avidyne can work with Textron, or unless my avionics shop can obtain a field approval, I will have to forego this update. I also wonder why Avidyne would develop further updates, if the TC holders will not approve them for release? ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 3:08pm
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I deal with this same issue at work (not Avidyne/Textron, but same issue). The equipment manufacturer designs and certifies a new software, then the airframe manufacturer (TC holder) has to certify that software and provide a service bulletin before the operator can load it and use the new features. The alternative is that the equipment manufacturer obtains an STC for the installation and use of the software at the airframe level. This takes the airframe OEM out of the loop. There are two main problems with the STC method. In some cases, the equipment manufacturer is contractually prohibited from pursuing such an STC (under the thinking that service bulletin revenue will be siphoned from the OEM). But even if there is no such contractual limitation, the STC is expensive to obtain and therefore means additional expense to the operator purchasing the upgrade. If the operator was expecting a free software upgrade, then there is no business case at all for the STC. |
Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 3:12pm
Awww, those poor things. Glad I haven't bought any of their products recently. |
Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 7:13pm
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It is really an unfortunate unintended consequence of tieing the avionics suite to the type data certificate. I'm not sure anyone considered the future effects of this. It becomes extremely problematic with low volume airframes where the business case for an STC is very difficult and likely unprofitable. This will be an interesting space to watch in the future and one that we as pilot / owners should bring forward to the FAA or to one of the alphabet organizations like the Columbia type club, or AOPA, or someone like that. |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 8:06pm
| Avidyne is to blame as they kept announcing and advertising that the EX5000 will display weather and traffic from the MLB 100 when it was first introduced years ago. |
Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 9:09pm
| to blame for what? |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 9:29pm
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To blame for false advertising that the EX5000 will display traffic and weather from the MLB/Skytrax 100, it is still showing on the Avidyne Skytrax 100 webpage then saying that it needs revision 8.2 to be able to do that. They have a picture of the EX5000 on the Skytrax 100 web page, kind of deceiving. https://avidyne.com/products/978/index.html To blame for keeping the hope up on Avidyne live that 8.2 is almost there for over 2 years, then when it was finally developed to push it on the TC holder for approval for installation. Avidyne is the one selling ADS-B solutions, not Cirrus, Piper or Columbia I am just venting out of frustration, after waiting 2 years for 8.2 to come out, now we find out we may never be able to install it in the aircraft.
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Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 8:59am
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Ibraham, I think there is a little misplaced frustration here. I'll give you the product development delays of 8.2 - no argument here. However, it is now available to be used. Let's take a step back and look at the integrated panel and how the manufacturer, the FAA, and the Avionics manufacturer connect together. Avidyne created an integrated panel, much the same as Garmin has done with the G1000 system, or Honeywell has done for larger airframes. There is no legal ability to install these into an aircraft without an STC (as some have done with the G1000 system for King Air for example) or as part of the Type Data Certificate held by the airframe manufacturer. In the case of Textron, they built hold the certificate for the Columbia/Corvalis airframes, and therefore, they are the only ones that can approve updates and substitutions unless a 3rd party creates an STC. The blame is squarely on Textron on this one, much the same as they have orphaned the original G1000 platform where they haven't approved software updates to allow ADS-B solutions to the G1000 and have said they don't plan to. Their solution is to add a Garmin GTX345 rather than update the software and integrated hardware. Textron is terrible at supporting GA aircraft and it is extremely frustrating for us owners. This is where your blame should be place, not with Avidyne. Avidyne has completed the software update and it is available - Textron chooses not to approve it for installation into your airframe. |
Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 9:20pm
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I've been upgrading the software on my Entegra PFD and MFD multiple times over the years and so far, no problem. Until 8.2. Thankfully, I don't need the upgrade, but I sure needed the earlier ones. I wonder why there was no STC difficulty with the earlier upgrades. I also wonder whether, under the FAA's new certification procedures, whether an STC is necessary for software upgrades. And if so, why? I can see why the avionics manufacturer has to satisfy the FAA that the box works, and that it still works after a software upgrade. Avidyne has cleared that hurdle for 8.2, so I have no questions on that issue in this message. I can also see why you need an STC to install an FAA approved MFD in a particular certificated airplane design, because it does take some connections to the plane's hardware. But I don't understand why the software in the box must also be STC'd, once the original hardware has been certified in the plane. What if all the software upgrade does is speed up the algorithms so it runs a little faster? What if it changes the color of the magenta line slightly? What is the criteria for a software change that so alters the box that it's not the same box anymore? I'm not digging into this because I don't need 8.2. But it sure is puzzling.
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Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 9:30pm
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Thanks for the information, it has been a very frustrating 2 years, the main reason for our avionics upgrade was to have traffic, we were reassured by the Avidyne sales rep that with a simple software upgrade that was in development at the time, we would have traffic on the MFD. We were not expecting that would take 2 years and then being told that the aircraft manufacturer has to approve the update. In addition, we were content to have traffic alerts on the IFD 440, but then Avidyne decided to eliminate the aural warning for traffic with 10.2.1 If we had known all this at that time, we would have spent the money on a different traffic system.
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Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 9:44pm
This is from Avidyne current website showing the EX5000 and Skytrax 100 being compatible https://avidyne.com/products/978/index.html
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Posted By: Gring
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2018 at 9:52am
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Fast forward 5, 10, 15 years when the G1000, EX5000, etc. integrated panels are at end of life from the manufacturer. What do you do with your 172S w/ G1000? Answer, you will have to upgrade it, but to what? There will need to be an STC to install something else, but what? and from whom? Well, for the high number production models like 172, SR22, there may be an upgrade from the manufacturer. For others, it will require a 3rd party STC from some business who has a) determined there is a business case for investment, b) gone through the STC process, and c) actually ships and installs these upgrades. My fear is that with the much fewer number produced airframes, there may be no option and therefore, the airframe becomes junk. We will have to wait and see what happens, but even if you can upgrade your G1000 172, are you going to spend $50-$100k in a complete upgrade/replacement of the integrated panel IN ONE SHOT? |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2018 at 7:03pm
| Any update on the 8.2 approval from Cirrus? The last time I called Tech support I was informed that they are working with Cirrus for the approval. |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2018 at 7:04pm
| Any update on the 8.2 approval from Cirrus? The last time I called Tech support I was informed that they are working with Cirrus for the approval. |
Posted By: jblodgett
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2018 at 9:35pm
| Is R8.2 available for the EX600? |
Posted By: Plunger
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 10:25am
| I need to send my EX 500 into Duncan for some repairs and software upgrade but don't want to send the unit to Duncan until I know that they can do the 8.2 software upgrade. Can anyone tell me when this new software will be released. |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2018 at 10:00am
| Any updates on release 8.2 for Cirrus aircraft? |
Posted By: ronl
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2018 at 10:46am
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I asked Avidyne at Oshkosh 2 days ago. Same response. 8.2 is done and we're just waiting on Cirrus to approve it. Should only be a few weeks. Ugh! Same song, 15th verse. ------------- Ron L |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2018 at 10:08pm
OK, we've managed to find a way to get around the TC issues. Here's a statement from the service bulletin: Bottom line is that you can get this done now without going to Cirrus. Call or write to sales to get all of the details. sales@avidyne.com or 800-AVIDYNE. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2018 at 10:18pm
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Steve, besides Cirrus aircraft, will Columbias also be eligible for the R8.2 update? -Larry ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2018 at 10:25am
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Steve, Thank you for the great news, we have been waiting for this for 2 years!
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Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2018 at 2:25pm
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Steve, can you confirm the under 8.2 that ADS-B traffic and weather, received from a Garmin 345, will correctly display? I’m happy to test this if it hasn’t already been tested, but I don’t want to purchase it until I know that it will work in my configuration. |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2018 at 10:23pm
Since it's a minor alteration, aircraft type is not a factor. The service bulletin applies to MFDs with part numbers 700-00004-XXX or 700-00030-X0X. There are factors to consider before upgrading. 8.2 does not support MLX770 or WSI Inflight Datalink. Also, we recommend that if you have a Garmin 4xx/5xx connected via 232, that you switch to a 429 connection (but not mandatory). Details are in the service bulletin, you should contact sales and/or tech support to get the details. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2018 at 10:26pm
Confirmed. Wx will come over 232. Traffic over 429. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2018 at 8:42pm
| Steve - I have an L3 Lynx NGT9000+ that already displays traffic (TAS and ADS-B merged) on my MFD with v8.1. And I would like to keep XM weather displayed on the MFD as well, and would not want to replace it with ADS-B weather. So for me, those enhanced v8.2 capabilities are not really beneficial. Would an upgrade to v8.2 provide my MFD any other benefits or improvements over 8.1, other than ADS-B weather and traffic? |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 10:58am
No, there were no other significant changes. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Risky52
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 5:32pm
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Has anyone upgraded their EX-5000 to 8.2? If so, what was the process and are you happy with the upgrade. ------------- Wayne T. |
Posted By: ansond
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 6:03pm
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+1! Anyone tried 8.2 yet? I was wondering if, with 8.2, its possible to choose (I assume via the configuration of the MFD) whether you continue to receive and display XM weather with 8.2 or, instead pull weather and traffic from your Skytrax? Can you possibly configure the MFD to take weather from XM but traffic (only...) from the Skytrax? Thanks!! Doug Anson N208LG
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2018 at 4:03pm
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Here's the https://www.avidyne.com/news/press.asp?release=358" rel="nofollow - official press release regarding 8.2 and ADS-B support. Being insiders, you guys knew about this long ago so it's not necessarily news. A https://techsupport.avidyne.com/portal/kb/articles/ex5000-mfd-software-8-2-faq-s" rel="nofollow - list of FAQs has also been published. FYI, for EX500/600, the software is actually referred to as release 4.2 and has it's own https://techsupport.avidyne.com/portal/kb/articles/ex500-ex600-mfd-software-4-2-faq-s" rel="nofollow - list of FAQs . ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 4:17pm
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Update on 8.2, it seems it is suspended until some bugs are fixed! "Avidyne Tech Support"<techsupport@avidyne.com> Good Afternoon, The 8.2 software update is very new. When it was sent out to a few people there was a glitch found in the software. Avidyne is currently working on the software to fix all problems and that is why it is temporarily suspended. At this moment we do not know when the update will be released again but fingers crossed it will be next week. Sorry for all the confusion! Customer Relations Specialist |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 8:34pm
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I looked into this late Friday after Ibraham's post. Turns out that when a large volume of weather data is received over ADS-B, the map can become disabled and the tab will turn yellow. A https://www.avidyne.com/files/downloads/606-00004-008.pdf" rel="nofollow - SIL has now been published regarding the situation. Engineering is already looking into the situation, so hopefully a solution will be available very soon.
------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 11:29pm
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Steve Thanks for the update. |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 3:07pm
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AviSteve stated, "While release 8.2 will display ADS-B traffic, it will continue to display the old style traffic icons. That's because the MFD is a level D box and the TSO requires level C in order to display the new symbology." I'm unsure precisely what is covered by "old style traffic icons" and "new symbology." And, I'm considering installation of an L3 NGT-9000, or a GTX345 in order to display TIS-B (and FIS-B) on my R8.2 EX5000. To anyone on the Forum with an EX5000 and either of those two ADS-B units, I'd appreciate if you could post a picture of the display of an ADS-B OUT target on your EX5000. Thanks. ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 6:46pm
| The MFD Pilot Guide shows the traffic icons it displays in Table 3.1 in Chapter 3. If you don't have that available, traffic within Skywatch's or the Lynx's alert zone is a yellow circle, with altitude differential information and rate of climb/descent if the target is broadcasting altitude. Other targets are cyan diamonds - solid if closer, hollow if not. They will also show altitude and rate info, if the target has Mode C or ADS-B. |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 9:09pm
| Any update on the when 8.2 will be fixed? |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 11:01pm
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Catani, thanks for the point-out. Table 3.1 answers my question. I'm pleased to see that ADS-B traffic will have a velocity vector associated, even if with only 45-deg resolution. Of course, I'll get the full ADS-B symbology on my iPad. ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 12:43am
| I think whether you get the velocity vector depends upon the box that is feeding the MFD (according to that table). I have a Lynx NGT 9000+, yet I get no velocity vectors for targets on my MFD. Of course, I do get the enhanced ADS-B traffic icons on the Lynx traffic screen itself, as well as via wifi on ForeFlight. |
Posted By: LarryPetro
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 9:14am
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Do you have R8.2? ------------- Larry Petro - Columbia 350 @ KFME |
Posted By: Catani
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 10:04am
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No, 8.1 - the version compatible with Skywatch inputs. But that pilot guide was written for 8.1, so there are apparently some traffic boxes that can provide an 8.1 MFD with vectors, I'm just not aware of which ones. Since the Lynx cannot get the 8.1 MFD to display vector info, I'm not sure it would do so with 8.2 either. And I'll never know since I want to keep XM weather on the MFD, and the Lynx's ability to give my MFD merged TAS/ADS-B traffic makes that a satisfactory decision for me. I have ADS-B weather displayed in other places, so leaving XM on the MFD gives me some redundancy in weather data. I also use the Lynx's own traffic display and my #2 GPS (set to closer ranges), for vector information for closer targets. The distant targets displayed on my MFD are just for advance "heads up" info that tells me if I'm headed for an area with a lot of airplanes near the altitudes I will be flying when I get closer. With my traffic display setup, I really don't need vectors on the MFD for that. Obviously it's all a matter of personal preference. The fact these discussions might help somebody make a purchase decision with more info is why I'm posting about it.
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Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 9:12pm
Hello Steve, I see some documentation online for Release 8.2.1, is that the fix for the 8.2 issues and is it available now?
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 3:44pm
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Yes, 8.2.1 was just released in November and it fixes the issue. Contact tech support if you need help with the update. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 5:03pm
| That's great, thank you. |
Posted By: Risky52
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 1:09pm
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Has anyone installed the new MFD version 8.2.1 and if so can you post any pictures? ------------- Wayne T. |
Posted By: Byron
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:55am
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what about ADS-B from the GDL-88 ????? Could the EX500 get the data from the 430W? All I need is somebody to tell me yes or no.... ------------- Byron Allen |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 10:06am
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https://techsupport.avidyne.com/portal/kb/articles/ex5000-mfd-software-8-2-faq-s
EX5000 MFD Software 8.2 FAQ's For Entegra EX5000-equipped aircraft: (including Cirrus, Piper , Columbia, and Alliant aircraft) •For ADS-B OUT -Avidyne offers IFD4XX/IFD5XX FMS/GPS navigators as an approved GPS position source -AXP340 Panel-mounted or AXP322 Remote-mounted Mode S Transponder •For ADS-B IN -EX5000 MFD customers can now upgrade to R8.2 MFD software -R8.2 adds display capability of FIS-B Weather using Capstone-standard ADS-B IN protocol and ADS-B/ADS-R/TIS-B Traffic using ARINC735 protocol. -Avidyne offers SkyTrax100 Series ADS-B IN Receiver -R8.2 also adds compatibility with 3rd-party systems including Lynx NGT-9000, Garmin GTX345, FreeFlight RANGR-RX, or other Capstone/735-compatible ADS-B IN receivers. Q: What's Included in R8.2? •Adds support for Avidyne ADS-B IN weather products on EX5000 Series MFDs -Supported ADS-B/Wx products include NEXRAD, SIGMETs, AIRMETs, winds and temps aloft, METARs, and TAFs, plus TFRs •Allows EX5000 MFD to display ADS-B Traffic when wired to a compatible ADS-B receiver that provides traffic via ARINC 429 /735 protocol -MFD will display legacy TAS symbols, not ADS-B directional traffic •For Cirrus Tornado Alley Turbo owners, R8.2 also provides support for fuel flow up to 40 gph for the fuel totalizer •R8.2 is specifically for the support of ADS-B and is not required or recommended for any other reason. Q: What's removed in R8.2? •R8.2 removes support for Sirius weather from the MLB700 •R8.2 removes support for Iridium-based satellite weather from the MLX770 •If you are currently using either of these systems and want to continue to do so, do not upgrade to R8.2 as you will not be able to go back. (Note: support for XMD-076/A is NOT removed) Q: Can I use a 3rd Party ADS-B Receiver (GTX345, L3 NGT9000 Lynx, etc) with R8.2? •A: Yes. In addition to adding compatibility with the Avidyne SkyTrax 100 Series ADS-B receiver, R8.2 will allow your EX5000 MFD to display the same weather products from a GTX345, Lynx NGT-9000, Free Flight RANGR-RX, or other Capstone-compatible ADS-B IN Receivers. Q: I currently have a TAS6XX series traffic system, can I still use my TAS AND get ADS-B In traffic? •A: Yes! Avidyne’s new SkyTrax600 (aka TAS-A Release 2) allows TAS6XX series customers to upgrade to SkyTrax600 capability which blends Active-surveillance (TAS) traffic combined with passive (ADS-B IN) traffic for display on your EX-series MFD Q: I currently have a SkyWatch TAS, can I still use the TAS AND get ADS-B In traffic? •A: Customers will need to choose between SkyWatch TAS and ADS-B traffic on the MFD in Maintenance Mode. This is not selectable by the pilot. Some customers are displaying ADS-B Traffic on their GPS display and keeping their SkyWatch displayed on the MFD (or vice versa). For now Avidyne recommends keeping your SkyWatch TAS for traffic as most aircraft are not ADS-B out equipped yet. There are some ADS-B IN/OUT transponders that accept Skywatch/TAS input and blend it with ADS-B traffic on the ARINC 429 output, in which case the EX MFD would display both. Q: I currently have an XMD-076 XM receiver in my airplane. Do I need to remove it to get ADS-B weather? •A: During configuration, you have to select one datalink weather source to the EX500/EX600 MFD from the XM receiver or from the ADS-B IN Receiver, but you cannot have both. Some customers want to remove the XM and get rid of the subscription fee associated with that service, while some other customers are choosing to leave the satellite-based XM connected to their EX-series MFD and displaying ADS-B weather on their Avidyne IFD4XX/5XX GPS Navigator display (or elsewhere). It really all depends on pilot preference. Q: I lost my Sirius weather when it was terminated by WSI/Sirius XM, do you offer a satellite-based weather solution? •A: No, we currently do not have a replacement for the MLB700. With the proliferation of ADS-B in the market, we have not made any specific plans to develop a replacement for the MLB700 at this time. If you prefer a satellite-based weather solution we recommend a portable receiver and an iPad as a solution. Currently, the SiriusXM SXAR1 is available from Sporty's for $399 after rebate. Q: I already have a GTX345 in my airplane. Will R8.2 allow me to display ADS-B Traffic & Weather from the GTX345 on my MFD? •A: Yes. This also holds true for any other compatible 3rd party ADS-B receiver (Lynx/RANGR) that is already installed. Q: Will Avidyne feature a promotional pricing with the launch of R8.2? •A: Yes. We are currently running a promo for customers who purchase an IFD550 with a Lynx NGT-9000 from Avidyne, we will also include the R8.2 software upgrade for free for EX5000 MFD customers. Q: Do I need to send any hardware in to Avidyne? •A: All EX5000 MFDs can be updated to Release 8.2 via field-loadable software on Compact Flash (CF) by an authorized Avidyne dealer. The dealer will need to use the Save & Restore utility to ensure proper MFD configuration. Refer to Service Bulletin #601-00004-107. Q: How much does R8.2 cost? •A: Please contact Duncan Aviation at 800-562-6377 for pricing and scheduling. Additional costs may be associated with the upgrade. R8.2 upgrade is not covered under warranty. Updated: 29 Aug 2018 12:19 PM |
Posted By: Risky52
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 6:30pm
We recently upgraded our MFD to 8.2.1 with mixed results. The wether products came across just as advertised. We have the original MLB-100 (Navworks product). Unfortunately traffic has been disabled on the IFDs (540/440 combo) and nothing on the MFD other than the LSK key and icon. No traffic on any of our displays. There was traffic on the 540/440 combo before installation of 8.2.1. Screenshot below shows the receiver as SKY TRAX 100. The installer says that is the configuration that is coming from the installation guide. My question is there a MLB-100 setting? ------------- Wayne T. |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 11:33am
| Is it true the 8.2.1 was suspended due to bugs found after the implementation? If so, when will 8.2.2 be released? |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 4:09pm
8.2.1 is not currently shipping because there are still cases causing the "yellow tab" problem. It's actively being worked, but recreating the problem has not been easy. I don't have a firm release date yet. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 3:40pm
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Hello Steve Was the issue still with the FIS-B as in 8.2? Do you know of any installation with just TIS-B that had the "yellow tab" problem? Thanks
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 4:20pm
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Yes, it's still FIS-B. I guess I can't categorically rule out TIS-B, but to my knowledge there is no TIS-B only installation that has the problem. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 6:51pm
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Any chance 8.2.2 could include “stingers” for TIS-B traffic? I really value the vector on nearby traffic, and I was pretty sure that the MFD showed these vectors for TIS Traffic from the GTX 330’s TIS-A service. |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 9:07pm
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We're looking to get this fixed and out as quickly as we can, so probably don't want to increase the scope, but I will ask the question. I'm not sure what's all involved in changing symbology - from either a technical or regulatory standpoint. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: cavokpartners
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 2:34pm
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I had R8.2 installed on an Entegra EX-5000 in December 2018. It's a complete failure. I've had it back to the Avionics shop 4 times and they say it's the software. No weather displays and all traffic targets are co-altitude. Avidyne has communicated very little with me or the avionics shop. The MFD periodically blanks and reboots or blanks and reboots to a "windows" type screen. Meanwhile, I have not engine instrument display. I've asked for a refund and got no response. I want my old software back or ideally a fix. I was told by tech support that this forum is really the only way to communicate with Avidyne. Really?
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Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 2:52pm
If you don't feel you're getting satisfactory response, there's no problem escalating the issue. Start by emailing Bryan Kahl, bkahl@avidyne.com. I'll alert him that you'll be contacting him. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: lvincent
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 5:12am
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Unfortunately, I as well have fallen victim to a 8.2 install. My cirrus has been grounded for 3 months now because the MFD becomes mostly unresponsive in flight. Rebooting in flight gets it back but fuel data is corrupted when this occurs and then it fails again. I am at a complete loss. The avi shop is trying another rewire configuration for me so I can at least fly it comfortably. What a disaster. The lack of any updates in this forum is concerning as well. Some sort of news would be helpful.
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Posted By: Risky52
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 9:46pm
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I have incorporated 8.2.1 and it works great. I have weather and traffice daimonds with altitude above or below on my MFD. I also have traffic with arrows, callsigns and traffic altitudes above or below on my IFDs. No problems with the weather on my MFD. We have actually had 8.2.1 for about a month now with no problems. ------------- Wayne T. |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 11:14pm
| Any updates on 8.2.x? |
Posted By: AviSteve
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2019 at 2:00pm
I hope I don't regret this statement, but... Look for it in May 2019. The problem was identified and fixed. Software and documentation are complete, pending results of a short flight test. After that, it's signoff and then it will be available. ------------- Steve Lindsley Avidyne Engineering |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2019 at 11:31pm
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Thanks Steve, keeping our fingers crossed. Would be happy with just TIS-B |
Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 12:42am
| Since the IFD 10.2.3.1 was completed, hopefully the MFD 8.2.2 is coming soon. |