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MLB100 and EX5000C compatibility

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Forum Name: Multi-Function Displays
Forum Description: Topics related to the Avidyne EX500, EX600, and EX5000 Multi-Function Displays (MFDs)
URL: http://forums.avidyne.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=623
Printed Date: 20 Jan 2018 at 11:23pm


Topic: MLB100 and EX5000C compatibility
Posted By: victorbravo
Subject: MLB100 and EX5000C compatibility
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2015 at 10:50am
Will the MLB100 ADS-B receiver be compatible with the EX5000C? (I am assuming yes from the press releases).

If yes to the above, will there also be compatibility with existing XM Weather and Skywatch systems or will it be either/or decision?  In other words, will operators be able to keep the existing XM and Traffic on the EX500C and add the TIS-B and FIS-B with the MLB100? 




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Posted By: Risky52
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2015 at 2:14pm
Any update on when MLB-100 data will be able to be displayed on teh EX500C.
Thanks


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Wayne T.


Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 11:00am
Still looking to have this available in Q1 2016.

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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 8:12pm
Will EX5000 MFD display ADS-B traffic and weather from Skytrax 100?


Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 9:11am
Yes, we are currently working on the software update require for the EX series MFDs to display ADS-B Weather and Traffic.

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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 9:18am
What about the Garmin GTX 345? any chance it will show ADS-B traffic and weather on the EX5000 sometime in the future?


Posted By: pilotgeek
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 7:36pm
When do you anticipate this being available for the 5000?


Posted By: jack.ryans
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2016 at 6:51pm
I Have a Avidyne EX5000 in a 2005 Corvalis and I have just installed a Garmin GTX 345. The installer advised me that Avidyne is currently working on making adjustments to the EX 5000 software to be able to fully talk to the GTX 345 can you advise when this will be available?


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2016 at 8:37am
Well we just got a GTX345 ourselves to use for integration testing - so far, no success but it's still early.

However, Release 8.2 is focused on the Avidyne supplied ADS-B devices since those are what we know and those are under our control to ensure we have full access to the data protocols and that they won't change.  Therefore, I would not count on Rel 8.2 supporting the GTX345 at this time.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2016 at 11:11pm
When do you expect Rel 8.2? We just installed IFD440 and Skytrax 100, looking forward to having traffic and weather on the EX5000


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2017 at 10:15pm
Steve/Simpson,

Any news on the EX5000 release 8.2 to display traffic and weather from the Avidyne Skytrax 100 now that IFD release 10.2 is complete? 

I hope it is not as lengthy as the 10.2 as it is only a software update not associated with new hardware certification.




Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2017 at 9:02am
I won't speculate a timeframe for approval of 8.2. I will share that it is currently in the top priorities of the in-progress projects. We are well into the stage of creating the software for the release, reviewing the requirements and initial testing.

It is a totally different beast than 10.2 was. There are no hardware components to it, however, that doesn't mean it is necessarily easier.


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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2017 at 9:46am
Great, thank you


Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 9:44pm
You guys know we want this, but no one wants you to make promises you can't keep on dates, particularly when at least one major milestone is not under your direct control.

If there is anything those of us with EX5000s can do to help test, please don't hesitate to ask.




Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 9:10am
Thanks for the offer.

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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: TurboPA30
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 8:40pm
same here. Willing to play test-bed.


Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 9:44am
We appreciate the offer. At this moment we do not need any external support for the EX update.

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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: jknox
Date Posted: 23 May 2017 at 4:59pm
I am not as concerned with the schedule for 8.2, as I am what it *will* accomplish.  

Can you tell me, since the message structure is more or less standard, will it likewise support the Garmin 345 and the Lynx NGT9000+ ???  I do not want to have to hot-glue an iPad to my windshield, just to get traffic details (ADS-B) from the 345.  <G>

tnx, jmk



Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 23 May 2017 at 5:11pm
Steve/Simpson,

Any news on the EX5000 release 8.2 to display traffic and weather from the Avidyne Skytrax 100

The whole reason we invested a lot of money last July in the Avidyne IFD 440/AXP340/Skytrax 100 was to get traffic on the EX5000.  Avidyne has been promoting the MLB 100 which in now Skytrax 100 for the last couple of years as compatible with the EX5000.

Thanks


Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 24 May 2017 at 9:30am
We've just about wrapped up the development and have begun flying and lab testing beta versions. Should those go well and we only need to make a few tweaks, then we should be in the final stretch. Best guestimate is September.

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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: ansond
Date Posted: 24 May 2017 at 2:26pm
Very cool! More than happy to beta-test... :-) 


Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 25 May 2017 at 12:03am
Probably too much to ask for, but any idea as to whether this will work with the GTX345 as an ADS-B source?


Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 25 May 2017 at 9:47am
It's possible traffic might work but there will likely be no documented support for the 345.

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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Melohn
Date Posted: 30 May 2017 at 10:24pm
Thank you for the quick reply. I'm assuming this also means no graphical weather or METARs as well? I bet there is significant market for this integration if it is technically feasible, but it's completely understandable if it isn't; after all these displays are more than a decade old at this point.


Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 31 May 2017 at 9:07am
The protocol to support weather will likely not be supported.

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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2017 at 9:20pm
Is September still a possibility?


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 8:15pm
Is it looking promising for September?


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by AviSimpson AviSimpson wrote:

We've just about wrapped up the development and have begun flying and lab testing beta versions. Should those go well and we only need to make a few tweaks, then we should be in the final stretch. Best guestimate is September.

Is September still a possibility for 8.2?


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2017 at 9:39pm

Why does your website list the EX- series MFD compatible with the Skytrax when it is not yet?

ADS-B SkyTrax100 

Avidyne’s ADS-B SkyTrax100 provides affordable ADS-B solutions for general aviation aircraft equipped with Avidyne IFD440/540 systems and EX-Series MFDs*.

http://www.avidyne.com/products/978/index.html




Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 5:15pm

The 8.2 Release will not be available, that "guestimate" was ambitious. We are planning for it to be available in Q4 2017.

"*Depending on your display configuration. Contact Avidyne for more information, as the list of approved displays is currently being expanded via certification."

The above is the 8.2 certification we are working on.



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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2017 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by AviSimpson AviSimpson wrote:

Still looking to have this available in Q1 2016.



This was the reason we got the Skytrax/MLB 100 July 2016 to get traffic on the MFD, now you are saying Q4 2017, hopefully this guestimate will come true.


Posted By: jblodgett
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 4:54pm
With Navworx now toast, will we ever have hope of weather and traffic from Skytrax on the EX series?


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 11:35pm
Hopefully Avidyne will have it done as "promised" in Q4 2017


Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 10:50am
Originally posted by jblodgett jblodgett wrote:

With Navworx now toast, will we ever have hope of weather and traffic from Skytrax on the EX series?

Your hope level should be unchanged, because the product that requires updating was (and is) the EX series display, not the data receiver.

David


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2017 at 9:52pm
Breaking news,  Avidyne press release, 3 years in the making and still waiting. The only update is the name change to Skytrax 100

http://www.avidyne.com/news/press.asp?release=302

Lincoln, MA – Thursday, October 9, 2014 – 

http://www.avidyne.com/" rel="nofollow - Avidyne Corporation , a leading provider of  http://www.avidyne.com/products/entegra/index.asp" rel="nofollow - integrated avionics  and  http://www.avidyne.com/products/tas600/index.asp" rel="nofollow - safety systems  for general aviation  http://www.avidyne.com/" rel="nofollow - aircraft , introduced the MLB100 Datalink Receiver for ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast) IN.  The MLB100 is designed to provide ADS-B traffic and Flight Information System-Broadcast (FIS-B) weather information for display on Avidyne’s new IFD540 and IFD440 FMS/GPS/NAV/COMs, as well as EX600, EX500 and EX5000 Multi-Function Displays (MFD).




Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 9:43am
Originally posted by DavidBunin DavidBunin wrote:

Your hope level should be unchanged, because the product that requires updating was (and is) the EX series display, not the data receiver.

David
David is spot on here. Release 8.2 is still happening and is well through the development and testing process. 


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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 4:30pm

http://www.avidynelive.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=623&PID=12485&title=mlb100-and-ex5000c-compatibility#12485" rel="nofollow">Direct Link To This Post  Posted: 23 May 2016 at 9:11am
Yes, we are currently working on the software update require for the EX series MFDs to display ADS-B Weather and Traffic.


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 1:23pm
Any updates? There is only 1 month left in Q4 2017, it would be a very nice Christmas present.


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 3:44pm
Hello Simpson

I guess Q4 2017 estimate for revision 8.2 did not happen.  The whole reason for installing the Skytrax was to have traffic on the EX5000 MFD.  If for some reason there are some technical or certification issues that would make it impossible to have that happen, please let us know so we can explore other options that would display traffic on the MFD such as L3 Skywatch traffic.

Hope the new year brings joy and much awaited updates


Posted By: kgrant
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 7:55am
ditto. 


Posted By: AviSimpson
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by Ibraham Ibraham wrote:

Hello Simpson

I guess Q4 2017 estimate for revision 8.2 did not happen.  The whole reason for installing the Skytrax was to have traffic on the EX5000 MFD.  If for some reason there are some technical or certification issues that would make it impossible to have that happen, please let us know so we can explore other options that would display traffic on the MFD such as L3 Skywatch traffic.

Hope the new year brings joy and much awaited updates

We are very close to the approval. Flight testing for FAA credit should conclude in the coming day(s). 


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Simpson Bennett
Avidyne Corporation
Product Manager


Posted By: Ibraham
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 4:20pm
Keeping our fingers crossed, hoping for a quick FAA approval.
Thanks for the update


Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 11:00am
Quick is relative.  At this point I would have April (Sun N Fun) in mind.  If Avidyne is doing for-credit test flights now, it means the final data package has not yet been submitted for approval (since the results of the test flights are a required data report in the submission).

When an applicant submits a data package, the FAA has their standard interval to review it.  That is usually 60 days for minor changes and 90 days for major changes.  Before the FAA's review interval expires, one of two things is supposed to happen; either they approve the data as-submitted, or they ask the applicant a question about it.  If they ask a question, then the applicant has as long as he wants to respond.  (The applicant usually is very motivated to respond quickly.)

Then a new review 60-90-day clock starts at the FAA for the response that was submitted.

Since the applicant never knows if or how many times the FAA will ask for more information, he never really knows how long the approval process will take.  You get these "in a perfect world, 60 days" kind of answers, but then people latch on to that thinking it is a knowable thing.




Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 12:08pm
From your timeline sequence description, David, I would say that April (Sun n Fun) sits in the "in a perfect world" category.

From the perspective of a customer awaiting delivery, I would suggest that end of Q2 (June 30) is a more reasonable expectation and if everything goes perfectly a slightly earlier date is possible. From the time A has FAA approval in hand, there is also a delay until users can implement although in this case that should be relatively short since it appears to be mostly a piece of paper (STC, svc doc, manual update?) that needs to get into users/installers hands.


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Vince



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