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    Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 6:58am
I just got my renewal invoice from Jep, it's going up about $100 from last year. I have an IFD440 and do the bundle so I can get data for the IFD100, it'll now be right at $700 for the year. That's without charts! Sure wish I could get Geo-ref charts on my IFD100 with this, I could then at least eliminate Garmin Pilot.

Does any know if Jep does discounts at Sun n Fun? 
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I believe there is a $50 discount at any airshow that Jepp attends.
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What coverage area do you subscribe to?
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I just got my quote as well... except it was for about $1300!!!! I have an IFD540.  


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Why so much?  I just paid my subscription and it was $491 for US coverage.  Are you getting approach charts too?
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Originally posted by George P George P wrote:

Why so much?  I just paid my subscription and it was $491 for US coverage.  Are you getting approach charts too?

I have no freaking clue, and this is why I ABSOLUTELY HATE that we have to use Jeppessen for this stuff.  I have no idea what I am getting with these jerks, and have no idea what I even need.   When I called them, I told them I had an IFD540 and she said this was all they had available and that was the price.  

Jeppessen are absolute scumbags when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Here is a photo of the invoice they sent me a couple days ago:



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I just looked at my invoice.  It shows:

Revision Service 28 days annual
NavData.IFR.Coverage.Avidyne.IFD540 Full USA
30 Apr. 19 through 30 Apr. 20

It is Item Number 10502544, Price $491

I do not get the Jeppesen approach charts for the IFD540 as I find them pretty useless on the small IFD540 screen.  I use NOS charts from Foreflight which are georeferenced and a readable size on my IPad.  I suppose I would prefer Jeppesen charts but the cost is prohibitive.  I agree that Jeppesen customer service is abysmal.  Wish there was an alternative.
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Mine is the nav/obsticle IFD440 bundle. I think you can only get data on the IFD100 by doing the "bundle". 
I would actually like to get updated charts on the IFD100, then I wouldn't have to go between the IFD100 and Flyq to see my charts. My charts on my IFD100 app are out of date and have the not for navigation watermark on them.
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I am also frustrated with the cost of Jepps. What would it take for Avidyne modify the software to be able use NACO data form Seattle Avionics?
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I'm new to the IFDs and looked up Jepp while I was at SunNFun. Their computers were down and they really couldn't tell me anything. I had heard we get 2 free months with the IFD purchase but Jepp folks didn't know that nor could they quote me a subscription price. You would think that's pretty basic stuff.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I am also frustrated with the cost of Jepps. What would it take for Avidyne modify the software to be able use NACO data form Seattle Avionics?
It's a much bigger job than you would think.  We have other more important stuff to be working on - like RF legs - right Vince (chflyer)?
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I updated at Sun n Fun. The guy that helped me was not too knowledgeable but determined that there is now a IFD 540 bundle with nav and obstacles. Priced both 440 bundle and 540 bundle. Both were $685.
Which is a $95 increase from last year. Savings at Sun n Fun was two additional months.
I believe that the $491 price is for nav data only, may have to go back to that if they keep increasing the bundle price.

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Originally posted by Craig767 Craig767 wrote:

I updated at Sun n Fun. The guy that helped me was not too knowledgeable but determined that there is now a IFD 540 bundle with nav and obstacles. Priced both 440 bundle and 540 bundle. Both were $685.
Which is a $95 increase from last year. Savings at Sun n Fun was two additional months.
I believe that the $491 price is for nav data only, may have to go back to that if they keep increasing the bundle price.

Craig

I wonder what adding charts to that would cost?  I do enjoy having the taxi diagrams on my IFD540, and I *Think* I need chart data to have that.  

Does that $685 bundle include the data needed for the IFD100 app?
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Absolutely right Steve!

Edited by chflyer - 07 Apr 2019 at 5:47am
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Originally posted by CubedRoot CubedRoot wrote:

Originally posted by Craig767 Craig767 wrote:

I updated at Sun n Fun. The guy that helped me was not too knowledgeable but determined that there is now a IFD 540 bundle with nav and obstacles. Priced both 440 bundle and 540 bundle. Both were $685.
Which is a $95 increase from last year. Savings at Sun n Fun was two additional months.
I believe that the $491 price is for nav data only, may have to go back to that if they keep increasing the bundle price.

Craig

I wonder what adding charts to that would cost?  I do enjoy having the taxi diagrams on my IFD540, and I *Think* I need chart data to have that.  

Does that $685 bundle include the data needed for the IFD100 app?

Yes bundle is all that is needed for IFD100. 

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Don’t expect approach charts on the IFD100 if you don’t get them in a bundle from Jepp. The $685 bundle doesn’t include them.
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Any idea on what a "bundle" that has charts, nav and obstacles normally costs?  It seems like 1400 a year that am paying to be a bit....high.
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I believe it depends on the coverage you want and the number of devices you want the charts to be used on. I have full US but not any of Canada and 2 devices only and I think I was at about $1100.
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I prefer to just get nav and obstacles for my IFD540. I use ForeFlight on my iPad. if I wanted Jepp charts, I’d get a subscription through ForeFlight. I find the screen on the panel is not large enough for the charts to be really useful to me. 
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For a 540 & 440 'bundle' with charts, 14 month (continental US only) subscription at SnF was $940.30, same as last year, but that was less than the year before ($1011.30) due to Garmin having some sort of competition for something.
Jacob Johnson took the order: Senior Customer (Service) guy.   He said emails to captain@jeppesen.com went to only him and his assistant.
Try him for the real deal, though SnF is over, he may help...
Good luck!


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Be happy! Your choice.
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I did the same for my 440 but $411 for east cost (including Texas) no charts, as 440 cant use them (I use Foreflight charts anyway). 14 months (two free).
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Originally posted by CubedRoot CubedRoot wrote:

Originally posted by George P George P wrote:

Why so much?  I just paid my subscription and it was $491 for US coverage.  Are you getting approach charts too?

I have no freaking clue, and this is why I ABSOLUTELY HATE that we have to use Jeppessen for this stuff.  I have no idea what I am getting with these jerks, and have no idea what I even need.   When I called them, I told them I had an IFD540 and she said this was all they had available and that was the price.  

Jeppessen are absolute scumbags when it comes to this sort of stuff.
I find this appalling. Jepp just doesn't seem to train their people. Fortunately, I've had pretty good luck in dealing with them. I was given an "al la carte" menu of options and was able to choose only what I wanted. Others here with the 540 who didn't want charts could get the 440 package without charts at a lower price. At Sun-N-Fun last year, I was given a price sheet by one rep. but was told by another that it was out of date and no longer accurate. This level of incompetence is inexcusable. Their website is impossible to navigate to understand packages and pricing. To pay an invoice online, you can't just go to your account, you have to enter the account number, invoice number, and the amount owed. It's as if they have no record of the invoice.

I have:

1. East/Central US NAV (Don't need full US) $404.00
2. NE US Charts $358.00 (Don't do much flying out of the NE and can get a trip kit when I do.)
3. I get IFD100 automatically with the above. No need for some kind of "bundle".

There is no need for terrain as it hasn't changed since 2015. I don't subscribe to obstacles, but rather update periodically as I feel necessary.

I think you should call Jepp back and escalate the issue of having been mislead by an untrained customer service rep. Then go for what you actually want and need. Good luck.
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I just got my Jepp renewal Invoice.  

NavData East / Central US - IFR  IFD540        $274   x2   = $548.  

I'd have to look and see what I paid last year.  I usually renew at Osh or S&F, but I forgot at S&F. 

What does a trip tick cost?   


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Hmm.. why the heck is everyone getting soooo many different prices for the same stuff?

This is what is completely frustrating.
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Because "They" (jepp) are a "sales" team, not an open store. If they were to post the prices, then some peoples commissions would go down, and others would not make their quotas. JMO
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Originally posted by comancheguy comancheguy wrote:

I just got my Jepp renewal Invoice.  

NavData East / Central US - IFR  IFD540        $274   x2   = $548.  

I'd have to look and see what I paid last year.  I usually renew at Osh or S&F, but I forgot at S&F. 

What does a trip tick cost?   


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My IFD 550 renewal (due next month) is $404 for the NavData East/Central. I wonder is the $274 price because you have 2 or would it be worth making a call to see if I can get it cheaper.
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That is supposed to be "the bundle" price for mulitples.  But, I have never actually seen it be cheaper that the price for one, times two.   

Who knows?  

I am a bit frustrated that I can't get plates on the IFD-100 without spending a LOT more $$$.   (More than a foreflight IFR subscription costs).     WAY more. 

Which makes the IFD-100 kind of pointless.   

I end up just running foreflight and not using the IFD-100 at all. 

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The IFD 100 app in my plane is on a 2nd ipad (panel mounted) and typically has the moving map view with weather displayed. The large screen allows me to see a bigger picture of my flight. If I'm IMC and choose to put the 550 in Synthetic vision then the IFD 100 comes in very handy for that moving map / FMS display.

I've never really wanted charts on any IFD device. I'll stick with foreflight on the yoke Ipad for that.
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Point taken.  I'll give it another try. 

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I only get the nav data package from Jeppesen.  My thought process on this is as follows:

The obstruction database changes very slowly.  Even so, as long as you are IFR, you are going to be above MVA and no new obstruction will be tall enough to challange that. If I'm VFR, I still have 2 iPads with Foreflight on them that have current obstructions.

The terrain database really does not change either.

My IFD540 is in the center stack and is not very practical for using charts on it as it is hard to see the detail needed for an approach.  I always display the approach plates on my iPad which is at eye level so I don't have to have my head down.

So, as I said, I only subscribe to the nav data and my annual bill is now due at $404.  At any time I think I need a database update, I can do it then.  So far, I haven't felt the need.
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