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ddgates
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Ok - now the technical questions start.
For the -A reinstall the party line has been that a new IFD-TAS connection is required. The IFD IM shows a RS-232 port 2 connection (pin 58). My config has fuel data on port 2, and the TAS (non -A) on channel 4. I don’t know if the IFD to TAS channel 4 pinout (pin 54) is wired and will find out at reinstall. Is this the connection we are talking about? What is the config setting descriptor to be selected if it is? Want to get it right the first time.
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oskrypuch
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Avidyne told my shop to expect 10 to 15 days, plus shipping time.
My TAS605 was sent in a week or so ago, I'll let you know how long it takes. I feel a little "threatened" flying around right now. ;)
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Avidyne: it might be useful for owners to be advised regarding expected turn time for TAS units sent in for -A conversion. Such information will help decision making in planning for the upgrade.
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All sorted out.
My unit is being pulled, and going in this week for the hardware/firmware upgrade. * Orest |
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Timothy Nathan
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Yeah. I am sending mine to The British Museum Ancient History Department for carbon dating and authentication ;-)
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oskrypuch
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Yes, I do. Kept it "safe" all these years. ;) * Orest |
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Timothy Nathan
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Do you have the voucher?
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oskrypuch
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OK, so I called Tech support, and yes, the hardware upgrade by RMA is now available, dealer needs to initiate it.
I have the "free" upgrade certificate (605 -> 605A), got it with the TAS605 purchase way back. They had trouble finding me in the database, not sure what that was about, but hopefully that gets sorted out. Called my dealer, and they are starting the process. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 16 Aug 2018 at 10:22am |
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oskrypuch
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For those that need the hardware upgrade, what is the procedure?
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PeterC
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sat with my avionics tech last night and started to look at the -A update install instructions. We’re doing a bunch of panel work so we agreed to finish testing everything else to keep from being confused. However the software is available to your techs. Thank you Avidyne.
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Peter - 1977 Cardinal RG C-FJPC - IFD550/540/240/322/605A/Skytrax100, Aspen MAX 2000, Trio A/P
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Timothy Nathan
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It seems that EASA has also certified it (that was quick!) and Avidyne UK are looking into shipping me a unit, so that line that we all want drawn may finally be on the horizon
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ddgates
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Timothy Nathan
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Does that mean that the ADS-B in facility is now available in software?
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ddgates
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Well , I was wrong.
Just got notice from FAA approval and STC for TAS-A was granted last week! Let the frenzy begin!! Good for you Avidyne!!!
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ddgates
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I have given up engaging on this. Not much more to be said that hasn’t already been said in the 5+ years the -A deliverable is in arrears.
I think the devices they design and build themselves (notably the IFD series) are great products. Those they have either bought or rebadged (TAS series, Skytrax) are failures on many levels. I would caution anyone acquiring avionics upgrades to consider the WYSWYG approach; don’t buy anything on the basis of what is promised, only on the basis of what they deliver now. Many missed opportunities.
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Timothy Nathan
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I would guess, from the fact that Avidyne are making no comment, is that the software is still not available, otherwise they would be all over us offering to rectify what is now a running sore that has been ongoing for over four years.
I would be very surprised if we ever see this software. Avidyne are relying on us forgiving and forgetting. I am certainly not doing that, and the anti-Avidyne vibe is now going to appear in the next edition of The PBN Manual, the standard PBN text book in Europe, of which I am co-author.
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ddgates
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They have been saying for some time the -A hardware is certified, but the firmware is/was not done.
Are they now saying the software is done?
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PeterC
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I am at Oshkosh and I was told by an Avidyne representative that the /A has finally been certified! When can we see an official announcement and a plan to fulfill all the IOUs that are out there?
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Peter - 1977 Cardinal RG C-FJPC - IFD550/540/240/322/605A/Skytrax100, Aspen MAX 2000, Trio A/P
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Timothy Nathan
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But what product refund is in order? The only thing that is going to "make things better" is if Avidyne paid for ADS-B In to be installed in my aircraft. Anything less than that is not a rectification.
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ddgates
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If that is true, then product refunds are in order, i.e. project being dead.
Looking back at posts - messaging was "software several months away" - that was Jan 2016. I guess several means >28?
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Timothy Nathan
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I think there comes a time when we have to accept that we have been cheated and move on.
There was almost no-one on the Avidyne booth at Aero Friedrichshafen, whereas the Garmin stand was packed, so the message is getting out, at least in Europe.
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ddgates
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I had to look back, I started this thread in summer 2015, at which point the TAS-A was overdue.
Ahem, people, it is now almost summer 2018, essentially three years overdue beyond the already overdue point. And yet, no news, sound of crickets. Is it time to declare this project MIA or should we hold a wake?
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n7ifr
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Just FYI - Learning the G-1000 for flying with CAP... I am starting to feel like Dorothy in the Wizzard of ... tapping my heels throughout the course wishing all modern aircraft were equipped with our 540's instead...
So much more functional and intuitive... and with dual installs, fewer points of failure. On their traffic, I don't believe even the G1000 will display both TAS and ADSB integrated traffic (I could be wrong). What a shame the GTX345 despite being able to integrate both, can't display both on our 540. Maybe there is a UAT 980 ADSB solution for IN & OUT that integrates TAS?? Tom W.
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Timothy Nathan
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So, how’s it going? Have they nearly finished?
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glassanza
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Actually the chatter on the forum has been pretty flat lately, thought I would give him an opportunity to provide some entertainment until we get a new IFD release to talk about. I am familiar with his history in this thread and understand why most of tired of hearing from him. Last comment from me on this.
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brou0040
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Leave him alone, your whining about him is just as annoying. If you don't like it, stop visiting this page!
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Timothy Nathan
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There seems a great ease with which some people claim to speak for everyone, which, judging by the balance of discussion, is not justified.
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LANCE
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If we all got up a collection, what would we have to pay to make you go away from the forum?
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glassanza
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So you actually paid Avidyne $15k (not adjusted, understand
that) and got offered $2k to cancel your pre-buy which 4 years later is still
not available to install in your aircraft? Based on your outlay and timeframe
to not receive a certified product I see your point. Flushing $13k doesn’t set
too well with anyone now matter what side of the pond you are on.
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Timothy Nathan
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Not really, no. The position is much more nuanced than that. I am going to use made up numbers, but they are not far wrong. Although £1 ~ $1.35, in your heads you can just treat the £ sign as a $ sign, because this is roughly the equivalent (flying is much more expensive over here.) I wanted TAS + ADS-B In. My avionics shop offered me two choices:
I (foolishly, as I now recognise) believed Avidyne and paid the £15k About two years ago, once Avidyne realised how much business I was costing them (actually, I think that they still have no idea how much business I am costing them, it is huge) they called me and offered me £2k. At the time, the GTX 345 was not available, so the cost of getting ADS-B In would have been around £22k, less whatever I could have sold the TAS605 for, maybe £5k. £17K is more than £2k, by quite a margin, so the offer made no sense. Now we have the GTX 345, which costs about £5k, I think. I have it installed in the "other" aircraft and it works very nicely. I guess it would cost £1k to install and certify, so £6k in all. More attractive, but still three times the £2k offer. So I would not use the word "refund". I never paid £2k. It is a notional amount as far as I am concerned and comes nowhere near covering my costs. They would have to offer to pay to have a GTX 345 installed to make me shut up and go away, and I am confident that that ain't going to happen!
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glassanza
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I
kind of have to agree with Timothy on this one. Since this issues has roused
the “senior counsel” to reply to this thread let’s not forget about the
repeated whining about pushed release dates for the IFD’s which was virtually
unanimous among pre-buyer customers (Oskrypuch excluded). During that time
Steve took the heat and answered the hard questions honestly which at least
provided some assurance of Avidyne’s commitment to deliver. I realize that this
forum has become more of an education tool for new owners trying to figure out
how to get north up on the map page but there are other Avidyne products that appear
to have not received the same priority the IFD’s did. For my sake I hope the
IFD’s remain a flagship for Avidyne so additional features continue to be
developed. That being said, for those who paid good money for pre-buy product s
4 year ago that still have nothing to show for it I can totally understand
their contempt for Avidyne at this point. With regard to this thread I believe
Steve offered Timothy a refund of his deposit quite some time ago ( I could be
wrong, this battle has been going on for a while), maybe that is still
available and it is time to move on to what I would think would be better and
cheaper options at this point. Just my opinion, not my money.
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pburger
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Well said. I am constantly amazed at the fanboy defense of Avidyne at all turns by a few members. It reminds me a lot of Apple fanboys. The truth is that Avidyne is not perfect. They have made some missteps. They need to hear the negative feedback. In fact, I believe that negative feedback is much more valuable than positive feedback. That being said, I am still an Avidyne fan. I want Avidyne to succeed, and I love to show off my cool Avidyne stack to my friends. The very existence of this forum is a testament to Avidyne's willingness to engage with their customers, and at least for now, that includes both negative and positive feedback, and I applaud them for that.
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brou0040
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I agree, Avidyne has failed on promises multiple times. The extent of their issues cannot be blamed on the FAA, which they repeatedly do as an excuse for their failure to execute. Many of the Avidyne supporters cite this forum as a positive interaction with Avidyne that other manufacturers don't have. That doesn't mean this is a fanboy only forum. If this forum was just to pat backs and give high fives, it would not be providing useful customer feedback to Avidyne - not all customer feedback is positive. Understandably, Avidyne has stopped providing promised dates - which was one of their marketing flaws in the past, but unfortunately, they've more or less shut down all communications, which has generated much of the frustration. Edited by brou0040 - 15 Jan 2018 at 12:07pm |
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And that is just what they should be ashamed of. I am honestly amazed and bewildered by your corporate willingness to take it lying down. |
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oskrypuch
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There really isn't anything new to say on this. Folks, let's not feed the troll.
* Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 14 Jan 2018 at 9:43am |
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Timothy Nathan
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Lance,
You must be blessed with tremendous insight to know what literally everyone else is thinking. Kudos. But is this really just a fanboi’s meeting place? A cathedral built to the praise of Avidyne? If so, what would happen if the Emperor really had no clothes? We must open our minds to other perspectives, should we not? And I will open mine to yours. How, in your opinion, will I best behave to get what I paid for four years ago in, let’s say, the next year, before the fifth anniversary of their six month promise? Emails, you say? Jumping on a jet plane and crossing the Atlantic? Are these techniques guaranteed success? Tell you what, if you pay for my flight and hotel I promise to repay you (at some unspecified time in the future) if I leave the factory with a working 605A certified for ADS-B in. Seem reasonable? You trust me the way I trusted Avidyne, right? |
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Griping and complaining and talking negatively to others about Avidyne isn't going to make any more traffic display on your unit. This forum is for people that enjoy the benefits of their Avidynes and are looking forward to even more features to come - in other words generally positive people. None of us want to hear you air your grievances. That would be best be done will e-mails directly to Avidyne or pay them a visit in person if you want, but please not here. We really don't want to hear it. [/QUOTE]
Don't shoot the messenger - Many Avidyne customers have bought into Avidyne products not only for the quality, but also for the advertised promises of time-sensitive future development... T. Wolf
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LANCE
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Griping and complaining and talking negatively to others about Avidyne isn't going to make any more traffic display on your unit. This forum is for people that enjoy the benefits of their Avidynes and are looking forward to even more features to come - in other words generally positive people. None of us want to hear you air your grievances. That would be best be done will e-mails directly to Avidyne or pay them a visit in person if you want, but please not here. We really don't want to hear it.
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Timothy Nathan
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But, Gring, on a more positive, and rather eery, note, literally at the same moment that your message popped up, I was watching a Ted talk which mentioned Kingston, NY!
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Not proud, just fulfilling my end of the bargain.
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Tim, you must feel pretty proud of yourself!!!
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Timothy Nathan
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So this thread is now so old and useless that we are going to use it to discuss our travel plans?
I have managed to talk two, maybe three, people out of IFDs this week. Avidyne may have forgotten their side of the bargain, I haven't forgotten mine.
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n7ifr
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Congrats David, on both.
Up in Pagosa Springs until next week, driving down Monday - in total withdrawal from plane, so hoping to get back to lots of flying. Tom
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Tom: Bonanza completes annual today. Walk through on Carefree house tomorrow. David
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"End of Summer..." and "end of 4th QTR"!! Promises, promises...
Lets see, are we still stuck in the mud... . TAS"A" Software update to integrate 1090 ADSB IN . v10.2.1 to allow IFD X40 high speed baud comm with Aspen/Lynx + other needed fixes Happy New Year David. Lets go flying. Tom W.
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Just observing that this thread (about TAS-A) was started 2 1/2 years ago!!!
The product was overdue at that time!!! Edited by ddgates - 01 Jan 2018 at 12:56pm |
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Tom,
I assume you mean that you have entered them (manually?) on the new (10.2 compatible) sim. In any case, I was forced to migrate due to a repair to one IFD (which always comes with the latest version .... hence 10.2). Of course I had to update the 2nd IFD to 10.2 too so that the two could talk. I guess I just got lucky, because the update from 10.1.3.0 to 10.2.0.0 didn't erase my user wpts. My first action under 10.2 when I saw the user wpts still there was to do a backup to usb, even before sync'ing the two IFDs. So I now have a 10.2 usr wpt backup just in case the issue fixed by 10.2.1 raises its head.
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Vince,
I gave up on the wait, so my solution has been to keep my Wpts on the PC Sim where I have been able to restore them to the panel 540's. If you have dual panel units, restore from two separate USB drives, or turn off one while restoring to one, then reverse Off the other... Yes, it has been a long wait - seems like a forgotton cause, along with the TAS "A" update promised fix. Tom Wolf
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So, is that now the recommendation?
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I don't recall any mention of additional features with 10.2.1. Normally a 3rd point release is pure maintenance. The big 10.2.1 fix that I'm waiting for (and holding out on 10.2.0) is the user waypoint deletion problem. I have many many user waypoints and will need to reenter them manually when moving to 10.2.x. I only want to do that once.
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