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Originally posted by Sambo Sambo wrote:

ok I have a wired Lynx NGT fed to the IFD540. I select the IFD wifi as my hot spot. Under devices my iPad and cell phone are selected but I can’t get traffic through FF on either the cellphone nor iPad. But If I select the Lynx as my hotspot for wifi I can then get traffic on both iPad and cellphone. Before my 10.3 update my IFD540 always gave me traffic but I must need to do something to fix this but need your advice please. Thanks  

What you might consider doing is setting the IFD540 Wifi to remote and have it connect to the Lynx Wifi.  Connect your iPad/FF to the Lynx Wifi.  At this point, the Lynx will provides ADS-B Traffic and Weather to the iPad and you'll be able send/receive flight plans with the IFD.
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I'm assuming your NGT-9000 is properly wired into your IFD and you are getting traffic and WX on the IFD, if this was not the case before upgrading then you need to see your avionics shop, if it was working prior to the upgrade and you are no longer seeing weather and traffic on the IFD then one of the settings for a serial port got changed and will need to be corrected, this may also involve a trip the the avionics shop if you do not know what the settings are supposed to be.

If you are getting WX and traffic on your IFD but not on your tablet when connected to the IFD make sure you have ADS-B over WiFi turned on, previously this was called ADS-B forwarding.  Go to the Aux page and then Setup.  expand the Connectivity menue and scroll down to ADS-B over WiFi, make sure this is set to "ON".

On a related note, the IFD and the NGT-9000's WiFi both use the same channel by default, channel 1, depending upon your system serial number the IFD maybe using a different channel, I would VERY HIGHLY RECOMMEND that you make sure the IFD and the NGT-9000 are using different WiFi Channels.  The WiFi frequency that both units are using is in the 2.4Ghz range which means that although there are 11 channels assigned to the range, only 3 frequencies are usable (You can Google the technical reasons), channels 1, 6, & 11.  If you choose any other frequency you can have overlap which is a bad thing.  You can set the frequency on the NGT-9000 using L3/Harris' "MPC" program which is available directly from them, of you can adjust the SSID name of the IFD's network.  Avidyne cleverly allows the end user to change the channel number by specifying the channel as part of the SSID, for example you set the IFD's SSID to be "MyPlane6" the IFD will use channel 6, if you specify "MyPlane11" the IFD will use channel 11.  Not sure what happens if you specify something like "N12345" since channel "45" is not valid, I'm guessing it'll use channel 5.
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Hello and thanks for the great advice. Now I’m stumped on Can I only have one device hooked up on the IFD wifi for being able to get traffic? When I hook up both my iPad and cell to FF on IFD wifi I only get traffic on one device. I went to Devices nd both are allowed always to be on the IFD wifi. 
So all help in wether the IFD wifi will allow more than one device running both FF to get traffic? 
Thanks in advance, TIA. 
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Originally posted by doog doog wrote:

I have two IFDs and haven't seen any GPS integrity issues with the 10.3 upgrade.  It doesn't sound like a software issue to me, more likely an antennae issue.  When it happens I'd suggest going to the GPS status page and checking the signal.  

Tested it yesterday, it's definitely a 10.3 problem. Did a practice RNAV under 10.2, no integrity issues or LPV downgrades. (As a bonus my frequencies were retained after shutdown!)
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A&P and I attempted the upgrade this weekend and it’s not looking good.  Kept being halted. Tried the gold master and it errored out at that step with “Upload files to vm2/kvf/options”.  Besides calling tech support Monday morning, any suggestions?

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Make a list of the new features in 10.3. Subtract from the list all the items you don’t care about. Next to it place the list of known bugs and assume you will have all of them, as you very likely will.Do the pluses outweigh the minuses (including unreliable RNAV approaches)? Throw in the shop time and down time to get you back to a stable system (10.2.6.1) then decide if you want to proceed. If this sounds snarky, I apologize. But being out $550 bucks just so I can sample a buggy, poorly thought out and poorly executed revision will make you a bit that way.
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Any word on the dot release to address open issues? 
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Originally posted by Dallas90 Dallas90 wrote:

Make a list of the new features in 10.3. Subtract from the list all the items you don’t care about. Next to it place the list of known bugs and assume you will have all of them, as you very likely will.Do the pluses outweigh the minuses (including unreliable RNAV approaches)? Throw in the shop time and down time to get you back to a stable system (10.2.6.1) then decide if you want to proceed. If this sounds snarky, I apologize. But being out $550 bucks just so I can sample a buggy, poorly thought out and poorly executed revision will make you a bit that way.
How was the fallback process to 10.2.6? is it as straightforward as the upgrade or they had to take you through CF format route?
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My IFD540 upgrade to 10.3 went smoothly, and except for losing the freqs every time you turn it off, seems to function correctly.  My daughter has had a panel upgrade in conjuntion with the 10.3 upgrade and things haven't gone so well.  She added the dual Aspen 2000s, cleaned up the panel, got rid of the vacuum pump, got rid of all fuses, rearranged the CBs, and now our panels are almost identical except I have the NGT9000+ and she has a GTX330 ES and GDL88.

One big problem she has is that there is no traffic on Foreflight.  The Traffic tab is not even available.  The WIFI is working because we can get the IFD100 app to work with her IFD440 and also see traffic on it.  We were thinking that this was a configuration issue with the shop but it looks like on this forum it might be a 10.3 problem instead?

I am rapidly losing confidence in the shop that did my last upgrade as well as my daughter's.  We've identified and fixed several of the problems we had on our own.  For instance, The Aspen 2000 Max has aural callouts for approaching and at minimums.  We weren't getting that on her panel.  Found out that they had not turned the volume up in the settings of the Aspen.  Another issue was that we weren't getting the altitude callouts from the IFD that 10.3 added.  Issue there was that they had  routed the output through the PMA8000 Aux input but didn't bother to turn it on or tell us where it was supposed to come from.  We have had numerous delays from them with very little communication on status, unless we call them.  Promised completion dates come and go without any sign of getting done.  I'm about done with them.
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Originally posted by Sanjiv Sanjiv wrote:

Any word on the dot release to address open issues? 

I don't expect that all known issues will be fixed with a single dot release.

Perhaps it's just somewhere that I haven't yet found, but in general it would be useful if Avidyne would post the various dot releases and the issues fixed with them. That way we could track the dot releases that have been issued and the associated items that have been fixed. I think I've read somewhere here that the current software release is 10.3.0.3..... what is in that?

The current 540 PG is Rev 08 (web page says Rev 07 but file is 08), and the manual says Rev 08 corresponds to 10.3.0.2 which implies that was the first 10.3 version actually released.


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My 10.3.0.2 upgrade was okay. Only problem I have is while switching to maintenance mode, the unit boots or partially goes off and on a few times. It is a guess work when it gets to stable mode. Like while updating the database, it just went off and on.... followed by database upload failed. Now I have to count 3 times screen going off and on in maintenance mode to now it's stable again to change config or load database. Support them says it probably requires a CF format but they don't have better insight yet. I will reproduce the scenario and upload logs for them to analyze. All the checksums are fine and everything else checks out. My fear is "what if" this screen goes off or reboot happens in regular operations mode. We all hate the unknowns. 

ADSB out is via AXP322
My ADSB traffic in is through Skytras200. Just upgraded that from MLB100.
Weather IN is from GDL69.
Both seems to be working fine. 


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The current software version out is 10.3.0.2, which was the initial 10.3 release.
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Originally posted by Toadpilot Toadpilot wrote:

The current software version out is 10.3.0.2, which was the initial 10.3 release.
Correct. I meant to say 10.3.0.2 drop of the initial 10.3 released software. 
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Mike Salmon from Avidyne posted some information on the Avidyne Facebook page about upcoming webinars, including one on 10.3.1.2. Maybe a typo, maybe a low-key acknowledgement of a forthcoming release.
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I fully expect Avidyne to have an updated release, hopefully it will be sooner than later and address the bugs that have been publicly identified (by users posts) plus any that haven't been publicly identified.
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We are working on 10.3.1.2 that addresses several of the identified issues with 10.3.0.2.  I expect it to be available relatively soon, but can't say when.  I'll post release notes when I can, but I'll bet that most everyone here can guess at least one or two that are on the list.
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Originally posted by PA23 PA23 wrote:

I fully expect Avidyne to have an updated release, hopefully it will be sooner than later and address the bugs that have been publicly identified (by users posts) plus any that haven't been publicly identified.

10.3 broke the trust, it will be a long time and many updates before I will try again. 
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Can someone share the fallback process and risk/complexity versus the upgrade?
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The fallback process is not available to all serial numbers, but I was lucky in that regard. So for me it was  take it back to the shop and let them re-install 10.2. The adventure from 10.2 to 10.3 and back cost me $450 or so in shop time, 3 days of down time and 3 hours of flight time getting the plane back and fourth to the shop.
I'm not sure why anyone would knowingly proceed with installing a poorly executed, buggy software package into a working piece of hardware but to each their own.
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I'm seeing the same thing after upgrading to 10.3   My screen went dark 47 min into the load.
Waited another 1.5 hours then. restarted.  It must have finished the load okay, because it booted with  10.3 okay, but the screen at times would blank on and off randomly in "Maintenance Mode".   Long story short, had to have my dealer perform a CF format.  Dealer also had to reset the paid options like WiFi in my case.  So, support told me the same thing about it needing a CF Format...that didn't fix it! The screen has never blank on and off in flight in the 5 or 6 hours flown with 10.3 thank goodness, but I've convinced myself it's just waiting to do that when I'm IFR on approach.  

Even after the CF format, anytime its in the download logs or database upload it will sometimes do the screen blank on and off thing.  This Sunday while installing the latest chart data, the little airplane was almost done traveling across the bottom of the screen.   Then, the screen went dark and stayed that way just like it did during the 10.3 upgrade.  I waited several mins and restarted.  At the Update screen: "System update halted. Error detected "copying Charts Files".  Tried the update again,  same message after several seconds.  "01-2023 charts updat... ERROR"    Now on the MAP-Chart page, "Chart File Not Found".  Been working with Jeppesen support, but it's looking like I'm going the need my Avidyne Dealer's help again.  
10.3.0.2 is not keeping me awake yet, but wish this all over soon...
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Originally posted by RedBirdPilot RedBirdPilot wrote:

I'm seeing the same thing after upgrading to 10.3   My screen went dark 47 min into the load.
Waited another 1.5 hours then. restarted.  It must have finished the load okay, because it booted with  10.3 okay, but the screen at times would blank on and off randomly in "Maintenance Mode".   Long story short, had to have my dealer perform a CF format.  Dealer also had to reset the paid options like WiFi in my case.  So, support told me the same thing about it needing a CF Format...that didn't fix it! The screen has never blank on and off in flight in the 5 or 6 hours flown with 10.3 thank goodness, but I've convinced myself it's just waiting to do that when I'm IFR on approach.  

Even after the CF format, anytime its in the download logs or database upload it will sometimes do the screen blank on and off thing.  This Sunday while installing the latest chart data, the little airplane was almost done traveling across the bottom of the screen.   Then, the screen went dark and stayed that way just like it did during the 10.3 upgrade.  I waited several mins and restarted.  At the Update screen: "System update halted. Error detected "copying Charts Files".  Tried the update again,  same message after several seconds.  "01-2023 charts updat... ERROR"    Now on the MAP-Chart page, "Chart File Not Found".  Been working with Jeppesen support, but it's looking like I'm going the need my Avidyne Dealer's help again.  
10.3.0.2 is not keeping me awake yet, but wish this all over soon...

SO, at least I am not the only one with this weird behavior. But in my case, the charts loaded just fine the second time. Once it failed to load maps prior to this upgrade, it was resolved by fresh format of USB drive and reload of data. I am just waiting for the screen to go blank in normal flight. Somehow, with the lack of trust at the moment, it's a matter of when it might happen. Thanks for sharing that CF format didn't resolve your issue. 
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I had considered downgrading back to 10.2 but after looking through the bug list I didn't find anything that told me that I must downgrade.  Yeah some of the bugs are simply annoying but really don't prevent the use of the device.

The only bug I've heard of so far that causes the IFD to crash is selecting/highlighting an approach with RF legs and this bug can be worked around by simply enabling RF legs in maintenance mode even if your plane is incapable of flying RF legs.

One thing I really have to figure out is the lighting, I have never had it setup properly and usually manually adjust it during the flight.   When the original GNS430 was installed the shop didn't setup the lighting properly on the lighting buss, somehow they ran 12v all the time for the dimming circuit and added resistance to ground even though my airplane controls all of the lighting by varying the output voltage.  I have since disconnected both lines for the lighting control (they are wrapped neatly behind the panel should I decided to use them again).  Now that it gets dark early I can spend some time trying to set the dimming using the photocell correctly, then again it is often too cold that I don't want to spend time out at the airplane.


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IFD 440 new sofware 10.3:
my issues : Frequencies not memorized after avionic master on, :-( 
IFD does only connect to my iPAD ( even set to always) if IFD app is running on the IPAD , after that the other apps (Skydemon) filly communicates with the IFD :-(
When I update the database, the screen goes black after about 30-60 sevonds and I don‘t know when the update is finished. Wai5ing about 5 minutes and then performing a hard reset switching the IFD to off and rempving the USB stick) worked, but not normal :-(
I know when the AVEDYNE dealer loaded the new soft, he has got problems as well, that the screen went black during the update

Avedyne got an email about all above, but no solutions proposed ( the black screen seems new to them,- strange as others in the forum have similar issues.
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I don’t know if my bug has been discussed.  I have always used the dimming bus to control screen and bezel brightness.  Since upgrading to 10.3 when I turn the panel lighting all the way down the screens now go dark instead of full bright.  Going into maintenance page and back out seems to correct the problem…until the next power cycle.  Then it reverts back.  The lighting settings are exactly the same as before the upgrade.
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anyone else here is experience downgraded RNAV approaches on 10.3.0.2? I know it's been reported before by another user, but I want to see if multiple users are facing similar issues because last 2 approaches I had to do offered  me LNAV+VNAV instead of LPV. Wonder if it's generic version issue or unit dependent like their fallback process. 
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I've seen that a couple of times... however, I was unable to confirm whether it was the units or just GPS service issues in my area the two times it happened (within a day or two apart... and not any since then...)

@AviSteve - any updates on fixes for 10.3?  Any ETA?   This RNAV bug seems one of the more serious issues with 10.3... My preference would be for Avidyne to not "boil the ocean" with a huge 10.3-fix++ release but rather focus just on these 10.3 issues... nothing else for this release... is that the plan or is there a different one in progress?

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We're working on it.  I would expect some news in the very near future.
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Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

We're working on it.  I would expect some news in the very near future.


Waiting on the FAA again, or can Avidyne release this one with just a notification to the FAA?

When 10.3 was released it was the day that hell froze over as GAMI got their STC approved for their 100UL at the same time.  Wonder what other announcement the FAA is holding up?
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This one is a minor, so the FAA shouldn't be a significant schedule factor.
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I'm also having problems with 10.3.

Frequency thing like everyone else.

Foreflight can't send flight plans to the unit.   It tries to send but after a minute or so it reports back with a timeout error or something like that.

I can't view traffic in foreflight because the traffic option doesn't appear in the layer drop down even when the WiFi is working.

WiFi cuts out.   On a 45 minute flight yesterday, WiFi dropped out for a minute and then came back up.

No WiFi at all.  On my return flight yesterday WiFi according to Avidyne was on but according to my iPad and iPhone it wasn't broadcasting. 

I was hoping these problems are simply set up problems but after reading through this thread it seems like 10.3 has a lot problems.  I hope there's a fix soon.


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re: sending fp's .. did you make sure your ipad was not blocked in the networking config?

I've had some wifi issues - but its hard to blame 10.3 since wifi has worked pretty well for me on almost all flights (as long as i wasn't trying to get adsb data through wifi).

-- i did have one flight where i could not get the ifd to re-connect to the wifi network from the stratus after the stratus had some sort of hicup that kicked everything off the wifi. -- restarted the stratus and the ipads got back on, but the ifd would not. -- eventually had to power cycle the IFD to get it to re-join the network. (while in flight).

in-flight wifi dropouts could be due to interference in the airplane, such as phone hotspots, etc.
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I know there are some issues with WiFi on the 10.3 release of software, based upon what I've see I don't think it is with the WiFi signal itself but with the protocols running on the WiFi.  I saw it initially when connecting a Stratux to the IFD over WiFi and was able to document the problem, plus I found some potentially related issues which manifest them as FF getting errors when trying to push flight plans.

Hopefully Avidyne has a solution in their next release
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